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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:30 PM   #51

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I saw a Canadian documentary they showed a few years back in the US, where the presenter took turns wearing German and Soviet winter gear in a freezer, while his vitals were monitored. The Soviet gear was better designed. He was cold after thirty minutes or so of wearing the German gear, but still fairly comfortable in the Soviet kit.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:43 PM   #52

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Winter uniforms for millions of troops take time to produce and distribute
the war lasted 4 years, lest you forget.

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Really? no clothing will help in cold weather -- how do humans survive in space?
they go on long marches or sit it out in trenches there in space?

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Sorry your comment is just silly
so you ran out of arguments?
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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:46 PM   #53

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He was cold after thirty minutes or so of wearing the German gear, but still fairly comfortable in the Soviet kit.
had it been one hour, he would have felt no difference.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 03:49 PM   #54

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how did the Germans win this battle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mars - if they can't fight during cold weather?
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The problem with the Russian winter for the German forces was that their plan depended on them winning before it arrived.
By the time winter arrived German logistics were so stretched they had massive difficulties in ensuring the advanced units had enough ammo food and fuel, without adding winter equipment into the mix.
These were all separate. The Germans hadn't tested most of their equipment in extreme cold, a lot of their weapons back them didn't run all that well when it was warm amd dry (MG34 for example). Tanks sometimes ran, sometimes not, not enough trucks, rails in Germany were narrower than Russian. More problems came over roads. German intel had plotted the roads but overestimated the quality of construction, conditions werent good. This caused major traffic jams from Germany to the outskirts of Moscow and elsewhere. Because everything took longer to get to the front they purposely pushed the necessities, in lieu of what they saw initially as creature comforts, snivel gear, because most German general staff officers didn't truly understand how bad Russian winters were compared to their own.
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The problem with the Russian winter for the German forces was that their plan depended on them winning before it arrived.
i would have believed that theory if Germans were Russians, but they are not.

and i strongly recommend you guys stick to common sense and logic, not history fiction.
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how did the Germans win this battle - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mars - if they can't fight during cold weather?
It helps when the enemy is the Red Army, whose officers are terrified of disobeying Stalins ridiculously crappy strategic judgement (typical since Stalin was a political commisar during the civil war and never actually studied warfare, just politics).
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It helps when the enemy is the Red Army, whose officers are terrified of disobeying Stalins ridiculously crappy strategic judgement
by your logic, it should have helped all the time then, especially that the Red Army was so crap and Stalin was so ubiquitous to control everyone in an army of millions, lol, history fiction much?
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the war lasted 4 years, lest you forget.

So 4 winters well done in supporting my point.

have you actually read anything about WWII?


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they go on long marches or sit it out in trenches there in space?
What you think freezing soldiers inadequate uniforms just walk about or sit in trenches to keep warm? wow how comical.



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so you ran out of arguments?
well you certainly have.
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Old January 6th, 2017, 04:21 PM   #60

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So 4 winters well done in supporting my point.
don't see how it supports your point.

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have you actually read anything about WWII?
yes i have, a lot of statistics, no books whatsoever, in fact, threw them out window.

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What you think freezing soldiers inadequate uniforms just walk about or sit in trenches to keep warm?
there's no point in keeping warm in deadly cold which negates any clothes you wear, unless they are a space suit with heating device.
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