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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:14 PM   #31
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Any other battles you are interested in OP, this is really fun. Maybe we can use this opportunity to summarize a bunch of these important battles?
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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:17 PM   #32
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This is really just good for US history battles/wars the US education system deems important(Revolution/Civil War/WWI/WWII which are basically the only wars US youth learn about in any sort of detail and some religious conflicts) but these maps are a perfect mix of detailed and easy to understand for the few conflicts it covers.

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Old October 10th, 2017, 12:45 PM   #33

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…Am I underestimating the geography? (I spend a lot of time reading or listening and not looking at maps - this could be a problem.)…
is one of the reasons. You have to couple reading and listening with image. Geography, but also uniforms, weapons, landscape.

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Imagine if I told you my cousin and my aunt got into it, then my mom got involved and defended my aunt, but then my grandmother got involved and defended my cousin? Do you care yet? Well, you shouldn't. Because you lack context.

If you want to enjoy history you need to know the story behind it, because the backstory is why it happened and explains the nuances. War is just politics with violence, so if you don't know the politics, you wont understand the fighting.

Also, without an extensive understanding of military science, theory, strategy, tactics, etc., you wont know what to look for. Like watching a football game but having no idea what the rules are, let alone when to get excited about whether something important happened, something impressive.
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So I do a lot of reading and (podcast) listening about history and occasionally documentary watching. Much of what I am looking at right now is ancient and Medeivel history.

When it gets to "the battle of X," which I know is very important, my brain just goes on 'ignore.' for some reason. I realize this is a part of history that many people find fascinating and exiting, (and yet acknowledging it is also very dark).

But for some reason for me I find it tedious and my mind has trouble gaining a foothold.

I wonder if it's the same part of my brain that can't process sporting events. (It can be argued that they are a similar phenomenon). When I see a football game I see a bunch of people running around throwing a ball and it seems like a big jumble.

It could be argued in this case that if I made a study of the rules of the game I would probably get more out of it. I suppose the same case can be made for battles. But I'm not sure where to begin.

What questions should I be asking myself? What are the "rules?" What's the "goal." Am I underestimating the geography? (I spend a lot of time reading or listening and not looking at maps - this could be a problem.)

Help appreciated. I would also like to hear from anyone else that can empathize so I don't feel crazy.

p.s. as an example, I literally listened to a 6 part podcast about the battle of the Somme (1916) a few days ago. I'm not sure I can tell you a thing about it, other than that it was very bad and a lot of people died.

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Dave you have little need to worry, many Americans posses a short attention span like you do.

Many are ignorant of the main events of US history yet it doesn't diminish their enjoyment of life and the cartoons they watch.

You are in the company of many.
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So I do a lot of reading and (podcast) listening about history and occasionally documentary watching. Much of what I am looking at right now is ancient and Medeivel history.

When it gets to "the battle of X," which I know is very important, my brain just goes on 'ignore.' for some reason. I realize this is a part of history that many people find fascinating and exiting, (and yet acknowledging it is also very dark).

But for some reason for me I find it tedious and my mind has trouble gaining a foothold.

I wonder if it's the same part of my brain that can't process sporting events. (It can be argued that they are a similar phenomenon). When I see a football game I see a bunch of people running around throwing a ball and it seems like a big jumble.

It could be argued in this case that if I made a study of the rules of the game I would probably get more out of it. I suppose the same case can be made for battles. But I'm not sure where to begin.

What questions should I be asking myself? What are the "rules?" What's the "goal." Am I underestimating the geography? (I spend a lot of time reading or listening and not looking at maps - this could be a problem.)

Help appreciated. I would also like to hear from anyone else that can empathize so I don't feel crazy.

p.s. as an example, I literally listened to a 6 part podcast about the battle of the Somme (1916) a few days ago. I'm not sure I can tell you a thing about it, other than that it was very bad and a lot of people died.

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To be fair to you, that's most of what there is to the Battle of the Somme.
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is one of the reasons. You have to couple reading and listening with image. Geography, but also uniforms, weapons, landscape.

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Basically, he knows nothing. He has no concept about either history or common sense and that is it. If one has to ask what is the purpose of Stalingrad then it's the same of asking what is the purpose of eating breakfast.
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Medeival:Total War the video game actually has the Battle of Hastings(an a handful of other medieval battles of importance) where you can see a recreation of the armies starting points/what the environment looked like(but you actually have to play the battle as the Normans and the outcome is the Saxons almost always winning regardless of you knowing how to win, which teaches you that the Saxons had the superior position and gives you respect for William's victory and just how easily he could have been beat but not what actually happened).

If you mean country by country, world history atlas(just google it and it will come up) will do.
that's actually a cool idea. I started using a trivia game on my phone (quizup) to lock in some of the history I was learning. I'm not opposed to games of this sort either.
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DaveK - is it specifically the details of battles that you find difficult? Are you interested in, say, the strategic and long-term results of a victory or defeat?
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DaveK - is it specifically the details of battles that you find difficult? Are you interested in, say, the strategic and long-term results of a victory or defeat?
Yes. Again, to use my sports analogy, I don't understand the "rules" to whatever extent that term can be applied to war. I literally had to read a book about baseball so that I could watch a game and understand what was going on.
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