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Old October 15th, 2017, 05:42 PM   #31

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Well, the expedition to Sardinia is something that is rarely mentioned, I believe. Would that be an option to introduce some characters? (Joseph intriguing with Paoli to get a command for his brother or something like that? Paoli could then mention the immense greed of that family, and their too close connections to the jacobins...)

On a sidenote: if you plan to include Napoleon's childhood - did you know that the chevalier Keralio, who recommended Napoleon for the Academy of Brienne, had been the teacher of Bavarian elector Max Joseph? In November 1805, when Napoleon and the elector first met, apparently the first thing that Napoleon said was "Did you know that you and I had the same teacher?", immediately winning over a rather nervous and reluctant Max Joseph with that simple remark - a good example of how well Naopleon at that time could judge and read others.
That is sort of what I was trying to figure out. If I started in Corsica then I could use that as an opportunity to introduce la famiglia Buonaparte and some of the local intrigue before building up into the large scale politics of later on.

Didn't know about the chevalier Keraglio. Good anecdote.
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Old October 16th, 2017, 04:43 AM   #32

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Josephine and dignity can hardly fit in the same sentence ,
there were enough truly admirable women ( think charlotte Corday or even Marie Antoinette during her trial ) not to have their example brought to the same level as this woman
as a matter of fact the revolution gave women a small glitter of a future ,
it took Napoleon brought up in a male chauvinistic culture to set in his code civil the status of women as mere chattel

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Josephine and dignity can hardly fit in the same sentence
May I ask what you base this harsh judgement on? We've recently discussed Josephine here: http://http://historum.com/european-...8?postcount=36, maybe you want to add your opinion? Apparently you know more about her than I do.
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She was reported as a courtesan frolicking with Barras ,a confirmed man of loose morals
she acted as hostess in his home , he certainly helped her financially
freshly married she had a sulfurous relation with Hyppolyte Charles ,a 19 years old dashing young hussar and openly displayed herself with him while her husband was off fighting in Italy
when he was to go there himself she managed to have him stay with her "to assure her protection"
then wrote to Theresa Tallien ,her good friend from the directory days who scandalized all with her gossamer "Greek" dress with no underwear

"He annoy me this cat's in boots with his declaration of love , his whimpering , his jealousy
it's a delirium . he would have me write to him everyday , when I hate writing ,
if only he was a passable lover ! he does his business in three stroke unlike my Hyppolyte "

don't get me wrong , there is nothing wrong with courtesans , enough outstanding women have shined in this role ,
those were troubled times and Josephine had to survive ,which she did
Josephine was not an honest person with Napoleon
it's a stain on her character , I'm not too fond of the guy myself maybe they deserved each other
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I read an interesting alt-history story a few years back titled "Napoleon in America". I recommend. I think it could help you a fair bit in terms of the personalities of the key people surrounding Napoleon.
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Josephine was not an honest person with Napoleon
it's a stain on her character , I'm not too fond of the guy myself maybe they deserved each other
They certainly deserved each other. There's a reason one of the final words uttered by Napoleon was "Josephine".

But you are right. Their relationship was not easy - particularly at the beginning with both pursuing extra-marital affairs. Napoleon loved her, but she didn't love him at the start. By the end, she was deeply in love with him, but he not so much - at least until she passed away.
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I would love following your link , but it seems broken .
revolution interest me , it's a season of renewal of people and idea when strong characters can shine , morality cannot then be judged by standards of more sedate times
after some reflection , maybe I need to reassess my superficial impression of Josephine

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to Napoleonicniklas ,
considering Napoleon was responsible for the "worst real estate deal of all times "
the selling of Louisiana to the United States I find the idea of him going there somewhat ironic

There is an old tradition of ambitious men going to the colonies to escape the stiffling rigidity of their own societies ,
It would not be un-conceivable to imagine a young Bonaparte sailing to New Orleans and fighting by the side of Jackson , what a novel this could make
One could even slip in Josephine escaping her plantation of the west indies
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considering Napoleon was responsible for the "worst real estate deal of all times "
the selling of Louisiana to the United States I find the idea of him going there somewhat ironic

There is an old tradition of ambitious men going to the colonies to escape the stiffling rigidity of their own societies ,
It would not be un-conceivable to imagine a young Bonaparte sailing to New Orleans and fighting by the side of Jackson , what a novel this could make
One could even slip in Josephine escaping her plantation of the west indies
He doesn't go there to fight by the side of Jackson - or anyone, for that matter. He escapes St Helena to head there.
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A few moments in his life come to mind that would make for some brilliant intrigue and storytelling

Must have events that come to mind immediatly:
- The Corsican identity
- Struggle to assimilate into French society
- Time in Brienne and Paris.
- Taking care of Louis could be included as well
- His financial cares after his father's premature death.
- The French Revolution and his initial role in it.
- Intervention on Corsica
- The watching of the storming of the Tuileries, his time in the la Ferre Regiment.
- The break-up with Corsica, the flight to Marseille
- Relationship with Desirée Clary and the clan in general
- Soupper de Bouccaire
- Siege of Toulon
- Stay in Paris, including his imprisonment and thoughts on suicide
- Vendemaire and the crushing of the Royalist uprising
- The plotting with Barras
- The initial campaign in Italy against the Piedmontese and Austrians
- The capture of Milan
- The victories over the four relieve attempts by the Austrians on Mantua
- The design of his propaganda and how it influenced the image at home
- March into the Papal States
- The treaty of Campo-Formio
- Plotting with Talleyrand, Barras and the likes for Egypt
- The capture of Malta
- The invasion of Egypt
- The scientific involvement of Napoleon in Egypt
- The revolt in Cairo
- Marching into the Levant
- Siege of Jaffa
- Siege of Acre
- Retreat, the effects of the plague
- Affair with Pauline
- The flight across the Mediteranian towards France
- The Brumaire coup
- Coup after the coup
- The infernal machine
- March across the Alps
- Battle of Marengo
- Treaty of Luneville
- Treaty of Amiens
- Napoleon the reformer, code Napoleon, infrastructure, restyling Paris, boosting of the sciences, Legion d'Honneur, peace with the Catholic Church etc
- His relationship with Whitworth and the decline of Anglo-French relations (Holland, Switzerland, Egypt, Malta, Naples etc)
- The invasion preparations of England, camping at Boulogne
- The coronation, also the coronation of King of Italy
- March across France, encircling Mack at Ulm
- March across Austria, capture of Vienna
- Crushing of the Austro-Russian army at Austerlitz and the intrigue surrounding it
- Peace of Pressburg
- Break with Talleyrand
- Declining Franco-Prussian relations
- Creation puppet Kingdoms (Holland, Westphalia, Napels)
- War of the Fourth Coalition
- Battle of Jena
- Berlin decree, continental system
- March across Prussia and Poland
- Intrigue with Polish nationalists
- Affair Marie-Walewska
- Winter campaign in East-Prussia
- Battle of Eylau
- Battle of Friedland
- Peace of Tilsit, intrigue with Alexander and Queen Louise
- Napoleon re-hierarchization of French society. System of privilege through merit.
- Creating of the imperial society, fashion, return of noble titles
- Napoleon's attempts at breaking a truce with Britain
- Involvement with the Spanish Bourbons
- Intervention against Portugal, free pass through Spain
- The intrigue at Bayonne
- The Erfurt Congress
- Meeting with Goethe
- Napoleon's personal intervention in Spain
- Plots against Napoleon in Paris
- Deterring Franco-Austrian relations
- Austrians crossing the Inn, war of the Fifth Coalition
- Bavarian campaign, seizure of Vienna
- Defeat at Aspern-Essling
- Victory at Wagram
- Peace of Schonbrunn
- Marriage annulment Josephine
- Deterring Franco-Russian relations
- More court intrigue
- Marriage to Marie-Louise
- Napoleon breaks with Fouché
- Rethinking the Continental System
- Break with Louis of Holland
- Zenith of the Empire, state visits across the Empire (nice documentation of his state visit to Holland if you are interested)
- Preparing the invasion of Russia, meeting in Saxony with all the relevant European princes at the time (except for Alexander and George III)
- Crossing the Niemen (malbrough s'en va-t'en guerre)
- The rush for Vilna
- The skirmish at Smolensk and Napoleon's attitude towards the failure to capture the Russian army
- The battle of Smolensk
- The march towards Moscow
- Battle of Borodino
- The march into Moscow
- Burning of Moscow
- Peace attempts with Alexander
- Winter retreat
- Affair at Krasny
- Affair at the Berezina
- Napoleon back in Paris, re-mobilizing the Empire
- Spring campaigns in east Germany
- Phyrric victories at Lutzen and Bautzen
- Armistice of Pleischwitz
- Negotiations at Prague
- Conversation with Metternich
- Summer campaign of 1813
- Battle of Dresden
- Aftermath Dresden
- Battle of Leipzig
- The defence of France (Hanau)
- 1814 campaign
- Plotting in Paris
- Negotiations at Chatillon
- Surrender of Paris
- Napoleon's surrender
- Governing Elba
- Escape from Elba
- Congress of Vienna
- March on Paris
- Hundred Days
- Waterloo Campaign
- Battle of Ligny
- Battle of Waterloo
- Return to Paris, thoughts of moving to America
- Surrender to the British navy
- Exile of St Helena.

More specific character based:

Napoleon's relation with: Paoli, Talleyrand, Stael, Fouché, Barras, Roger-Ducos, Salecietti, Robespierre, Madame Mere, Joseph Bonaparte, Louis Bonaparte, Lucien Bonaparte, Pauline Bonaparte, Caroline Bonaparte, Jerome Bonaparte, Duroc, Roustam, Marchand, Constant, Metternich, Clarke, Nesselrode, Whithworth, Alexander, Pius, Frederick-William, Queen Louise, Ferdinand, Caulaincourt, Cambeceres, Lannes, Davout, Berthier, Junot, Marmont, Eugene, Bernadotte, Murat, Hortense, Josephine, Desiree, Eleonore, Marie-Walewska, Marie-Louise, Goethe, Balcombe

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