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Old October 31st, 2017, 04:50 PM   #1
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Saddest battles?


What battles do you think are the saddest, either on moral/humanitarian terms (loss of life, stupidity of the conflict, civilian casualites, etc.) or on personal terms (i.e. my favorite nation lost, empire fell, etc.)?

For me:

-Cannae (one of the greatest defeats of Rome, utter destruction)
-Adrianople (another large Roman defeat, marked decline for West even though it was in the East)
-Final Ottoman Siege of Constantinople (Turks take over Byzantines, Constantinople turned to... 'Istanbul')
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The saddest one I can think of off the top of my head is the Siege of Carthage during the Third Punic War.
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Perhaps not just one single battle, but in my book at least, Troy was certainly among the saddest if not the saddest of wars.

I always feel some grief, every time reading or watching those episodes of Hector, as well as Penthesilea, being slain in their duel against Achilles. And also that part about Hector's young son Astyanax being used as a tool to beat up old Priam, killing them both, even if that part is not a universally accepted part of the Troy story.

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Old October 31st, 2017, 10:13 PM   #5

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-Battle of Chosin Reservoir

After losing this battle to the Chinese forces, the U.N. and South Korean forces had to fight their way out of a large entrapment. The retreat back was the longest retreat in the U.S.'s military history. During this retreat, the U.N. and South Korean forces had to fight their way out through a valley where the Chinese forces ambushed from both sides. Numerous road blocks were set up by the Chinese. When the U.N. and South Korean forces on the eastern side reached the coast, a Korean War version of Dunkirk was successfully done. Many soldiers and civilians escaped on the ships. The U.N. and South Korean forces on the western side escaped south via land.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...osin_Reservoir



-Battle of Hoengsong

The Chinese diverted 114,000 of their soldiers to the eastern mountains at night. Relying heavily on foot soldiers, the Chinese general Peng Dehuai decided that fighting from the higher mountains would give them the advantage. The South Korean, the U.S., and the Dutch forces became outnumbered in this region. The South Korean armies in this region were inadequately trained and their weapons were too weak to handle a stronger opponent. The South Korean and the U.S. forces attempted to flee towards a safer area to where the Dutch were deployed. In total, the South Korean and the U.S. side suffered 11,862 casualties. When the U.S. marines retook this region and investigated, they discovered numerous bodies and US military vehicles. They called that region as 'Massacre Valley.'

Hoengsong and ?Massacre Valley? ? February 12, 1951 | Jeffrey Miller




-Battle of the Imjin River

This battle was part of the Chinese Spring Offensive. More Chinese soldiers were involved in this offensive than the number of Germans involved in Stalingrad. The British and Belgian units were deployed at a front that was too wide for them to defend fully. To their left was the South Korean 1st Division and to their right was the U.S. 3rd Division. Many Chinese infiltrated in between the gaps of the British units who defended the hills. The Chinese also infiltrated the hills that weren't defended by the British. British tanks and the Philippine military attempted to rescue from south, but couldn't get through the Chinese forces who outnumbered them. After defending the hills, the British and the Belgians had to fight their way out. To the southwest, part of the British military fought through to the safety of the South Korean and Turkish units who were attempting to get through the Chinese to help the British. The Belgians and the other British soldiers escaped south. The delaying action by the British gave the U.N. and South Korean forces time to redeploy and help stop the Chinese Spring Offensive. Both sides suffered heavy losses.






-The Battle of Kapyong

South Korean, Australian, New Zealand, Canadian, and U.S. forces defended against the Chinese forces here. The invasion was part of the Chinese Spring Offensive. Both sides suffered heavy losses.





This is the National Cemetary for the South Korean soldiers of the Korean War:


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Old October 31st, 2017, 10:30 PM   #6

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What battles do you think are the saddest, either on moral/humanitarian terms (loss of life, stupidity of the conflict, civilian casualites, etc.) or on personal terms (i.e. my favorite nation lost, empire fell, etc.)?

For me:

-Cannae (one of the greatest defeats of Rome, utter destruction)
-Adrianople (another large Roman defeat, marked decline for West even though it was in the East)
-Final Ottoman Siege of Constantinople (Turks take over Byzantines, Constantinople turned to... 'Istanbul')
Actually the official name of the city under the Ottomans was still Constantinople, Konstantiniyya to be precise. It was Ataturk who changed the city's name. Now, to answer the question, probably the 1204 fall of Constantinople. A great empire was ruined that day by the people who were supposed to help it. Byzantium was in a bad shape before, but after 1204 there was no hope of a comeback. The Latin slaughter was even worse than the Ottoman crimes after the siege and the Latins stole countless precious artifacts from the city.
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Perhaps not just one single battle, but in my book at least, Troy was certainly among the saddest if not the saddest of wars.

I always feel some grief, every time reading or watching those episodes of Hector, as well as Penthesilea, being slain in their duel against Achilles. And also that part about Hector's young son Astyanax being used as a tool to beat up old Priam, killing them both, even if that part is not a universally accepted part of the Troy story.
Well, people still argue if Trojan war was real or not.
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Well, that just says it all, about the power of a good story.
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Battle of the Thames 1813 - Tecumseh got killed.
Hastings 1066 - Good guys lost.
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Old November 1st, 2017, 01:52 AM   #10

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Most battles on the Western Front during WWI. Verdun and Passchendaele being prominent. This is what Lloyd George said about Passchendaele. Copied from the wiki, "Passchendaele was indeed one of the greatest disasters of the war ... No soldier of any intelligence now defends this senseless campaign"
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