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Old November 29th, 2017, 07:30 PM   #1
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I know that hitler did not have to declare war on US but why did he? Was it just world domination? He could have had pretty much all Europe til he invited us to the war. & I guess we were happy to oblige him.

Also Why did US get stuck going against (mostly) japan and Russia just kind of screwed off after Germany. I Know about D day and what we did to open the flood gates of hell on them. Seems like contributions came from all allied powers but just seemed like it to me we got stuck fighting these suicidal gofers digging holes everywhere by ourselves (& maybe British forces). I went through college history but we spent more time on other useless things. If I could just get a dumbed down answer cause I am not an expert nor do I claim to be. thanks
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I know that hitler did not have to declare war on US but why did he? Was it just world domination? He could have had pretty much all Europe til he invited us to the war. & I guess we were happy to oblige him.
Hitler was pissed because FDR was sending Lend Lease to Britain & the Soviets, so he figured might as well go all in and attack the US.

The German attack against shipping on the US East coast in 1942 Operation Drumbeat was probably the most damaging attack on the US during the war.

He probably also hoped that the Japanese would reciprocate by cutting off access for Soviet freighters to Vladivostok, but they didn't.

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Also Why did US get stuck going against (mostly) japan and Russia just kind of screwed off after Germany. I Know about D day and what we did to open the flood gates of hell on them. Seems like contributions came from all allied powers but just seemed like it to me we got stuck fighting these suicidal gofers digging holes everywhere by ourselves (& maybe British forces).
The Soviets freezing to death on the Eastern Front was no cake walk, and the British , Australians & Indians fighting in the swamps and jungles in New Guinea, Burma and Malaya was pretty miserable too. There weren't to many soft combat jobs for the infantry, no matter where they fought
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Ever since Neutrality Act was repealed in October 1939 (basically US Congress freed goverment and private sector to sell war material and other war related stuff to beligirent nations-only Britain and France could pay and transport them of course , "Cash and Carry" scheme) and passing of Lend Leese Bill in March 1941 plus start of US Navy's somewhat small but symbolic covert aid inititives to British and Canadians in Battle of North Atlantic same year , US and Nazi Germany relations got worse and worse. By December 1941 Hitler calculated (very badly but hey we are talking about the guy who invaded Russia) he would be at war with US sooner or later and he assumed it would be better he started the hostilities against US when Japan took the reins in Pacific and on full rampage after Pearl Harbour. His calculation was while US and British were kept busy by Japan in Far East , German Summer Offensive which was due to start in June 1942 towards Caucaus would capture oil fields over there and knock Soviet Union out of war.

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Prior to Pearl Harbor an undeclared war was already being fought in the Atlantic between the US Navy and the German U-boats. At least two US destroyers had been torpedoed (one of them sank) in the fall of '41, several weeks before Pearl Harbor. Hitler's declaration of war after Pearl Harbor only formalized what already existed informally.

A lot of Hitler's motivation to fight WW2 came out of his desire to right what he considered the wrong ending of WW1. Hitler was convinced that Germany should have won WW1 but had been cheated out her rightful victory. To right this wrong, Hitler had to refight WW1 with the same allies and enemies but still obtain a different outcome. A few countries did change sides between the wars (Italy, Japan, Romania) but by and large the list of allies and enemies was very similar between the two wars. This also explains why Hitler invaded the Soviet Union. He was trying to refight WW1 but get a different outcome.
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Prior to Pearl Harbor an undeclared war was already being fought in the Atlantic between the US Navy and the German U-boats. At least two US destroyers had been torpedoed (one of them sank) in the fall of '41, several weeks before Pearl Harbor. Hitler's declaration of war after Pearl Harbor only formalized what already existed informally.
Right he argued the US was already a belligerent in all but name. Still, there was a big difference between a few clashes at sea and allout US involvement. In the summer of 1941 Hitler was determined not to let the battle of the Atlantic get the US into the war until Russia had been dealt with. While he agreed with Doenitz that the US should be dealt with eventually, "one nation at a time." He firmly told Doenitz to avoid incidents with America. It's odd that he threw such caution to the winds in December 1941 when Russia was not only still intact but counterattacking.
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I know that hitler did not have to declare war on US but why did he? Was it just world domination? He could have had pretty much all Europe til he invited us to the war. & I guess we were happy to oblige him.

Also Why did US get stuck going against (mostly) japan and Russia just kind of screwed off after Germany. I Know about D day and what we did to open the flood gates of hell on them. Seems like contributions came from all allied powers but just seemed like it to me we got stuck fighting these suicidal gofers digging holes everywhere by ourselves (& maybe British forces). I went through college history but we spent more time on other useless things. If I could just get a dumbed down answer cause I am not an expert nor do I claim to be. thanks
If your talking manpower then it was the other way round.

US forces made up 40% of the D-Day manpower, 30% of the naval forces and 0% of the planners. So they werent exactly alone in Europe.

Likewise when it comes to the pacific, in the island hopping campaign the Japanese forces on Iwo Jima were about 21,000 men facing 110,000 US personnel. They didnt have a lot of choice, they either dug in and fought a siege of they got destroyed immediately.

On the same theatre the Anglo/Indian, Chinese and US troops were fielding over 1 million men against half a million Japanese/Indian/Thai troops in Burma and the Russians in Manchuria would send 1.5million troops against 1 million Japanese and Manchurian troops in Manchuria.
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On the same theatre the Anglo/Indian, Chinese and US troops were fielding over 1 million men against half a million Japanese/Indian/Thai troops in Burma .
Were there US troops in Burma?
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Old November 30th, 2017, 08:23 AM   #8
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Hitler declared war against the US for the only rational reason.
To dissipate US industrial efforts and war waging capability overall.

Otherwise- the US could have rapidly fought the japanese to defeat- THEN turned its full capability on Germany.

Hitler had a deal with the Japanese... but as far as war effort goes... his thinking at the time was that a TWO front war would make the US weaker.

The US was ALREADY tacitly supporting Britain... and the declaration of war allowed his Uboats to freely attack US support of Britain.


The thing is, Hitler had never been to the US. He essentially had NO idea how large and resourceful the US actually was.
That a two front war would only make the US more efficient at fighting those wars.


But divide and conquer is pretty standard military thinking for facing a large adversary.
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Were there US troops in Burma?
A lot of supply troops and pilots, Merrills marauders were in and out of China, Burma and India so not a huge number but enough to be noticeable.
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Well it was to support the Japanese so I'm guessing that means he wanted something from the Japanese which would logically be to invade the USSR or at least as others have pointed out to not let the US continue sending the USSR supply's. If the Japanese had invaded the USSR at this point, it would have been game over for the USSR and the Germans and Japanese together would have had a good chance of not being totally defeated by the US, though I don't think there was any way the US would fall or even be directly invaded given the geographical reality.

Of course the Japanese had just attacked one superpower almost twice their size they had no reason to attack a second, so history will remember it as a super dumb decision.

Reason US primarily fought Japan was because the Japanese actually attacked us not just at Pearl Harbor but took over much of the Pacific, which was our imperial domain. Germany was in a death match with the USSR, and was no physical threat to the USA. I've pointed out on here many times that in 1942 the Japanese had a window where they could have achieved naval superiority and taken over the entire Pacific and won WWII. They were a serious threat to our interests, Germany was not. Once this window was finished and it was clear the Japanese were going to be totally defeated and US control of the Pacific eventually restored, stopping the Germans became more of a priority.
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