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Old December 31st, 2017, 11:28 PM   #21
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Pendennis, the Japanese were also dealing with Australia, Canada, South Africa, and India and other Commonwealth nations. Britain was far from alone in 1940.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 07:48 PM   #22
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You are simply reinforcing my point FMHope that England was not alone in 1940 but Emperor- by excluding the other three UK nations from his original post was suggesting otherwise so my post is totally fair comment.
And while all the nations you list did indeed support the UK -not just England- it is an incontrovertible fact of W.W. 2 history that the two major architects of RAF victory over the German Luftwaffe in the 1940 Battle of Britain were Scots -Hugh Dowding whose fighter interception sytsems and Fighter Command organistaion were crucial and another Scot who gave we Brits the radar system in 1940 which was the sine qua non of victory in 1940-none of the countries listed by you did that in 1940 although their contribution cannot be denied and must be respected
So mein lieber kamerad-Scotia uber alles! im 1940! (I jest)
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Old January 8th, 2018, 05:15 AM   #23
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Originally Posted by Wrangler29 View Post
There is a cliche that Imperial Japan hands down was superior to the Kriegsmarine in technological, manpower (including number of ships) and war tactics and doctrine with the only thing the Germans being superior in was their U Boat (and even than Japanese subs were not too drastically inferior that a underwater battle would mean a guaranteed curbstomp) and radars (though it was still inferior to what the Allies had).

So I wonder. Suppose the entire Imperial Japanese Navy magically transported into Europe and was able to dock at Germany. Lets ignore considerations such as the amount of docks needed to hosts Japanese ships, fuels the IJN needed, and other real life considerations and assume they are all solved and Japan could go ahead fight a war. Would they have been able to succeed where Germany failed?

Scenario 1)Japan repeats the same attempt Germany did in the Battle of Britain with her entire navy.

Scenario 2) Same as one but we assume they lose but decide to continue invading Britain as opposed to how Germany gave up quickly after losing the Battle of Britain and instead focus on USSR. In this scenario we magically assume all of Japan's resources, war factories,and other war making capacities magically gets transported to Germany.

I know OTL resources was a major problem for German in trying to adapt to get pass the English channel along with the fact she had to focus her concentration on other fronts such as USSR and the fact her naval war science was quite inferior to Japan (especially in adapting to other warfares outside of the open ocean such as ship battles in a large river, etc).

With Japan's warmaking capacity (supposedly superior at producing battleships and other essential naval technology and naval logistics in general) and her more vast knowledge in fighting in different types of water terrain, would Japan be able to repeat major attempts to invade Britain where Germany could never again try after losing once? Could Japan potentially capture UK in a second or third Battle of Britain?

3)Same as scenario one but Japan learns from Germany's mistakes in advance (say this takes place a month or two after the real Battle of Britain).

4)Japan somehow manage to land a large number of troops in any of the scenarios a few days after the battle starts. To keep it realstic lets assume they land the same number of troops as in Guadacanal. How long does Britain last.

5) Same as 4 but this time much larger troops comparable to their real life successful campaigns such as the capture of Singaphore or Indonesia. With a real army and a capable commander like Yamashita or Kawaguchi will Britain fall in a matter of a month much like Singaphore and Indonesia did in real life? Or will it be too bloody a battle for a single campaign for Japan to conquer?

I am very curious how a much more competent navy would do in an Operational Sea Lion. Does Japan have what the German navy lacked to pull it off?
No because in January 1942 Axis powers had a military agreement. According to this, the world was divided into two military zones along the line of 70 longitude, with Japan responsible for the area east of the line and Germany and Italy for that west of it.
Japan actually declined to enter the war with Russia, even when they were asked by Hitler later to do so, therefore I doubt Japan would ever have considered attacking the British Isles.
Previous to 1942 there was no military agreement between the Axis Powers merely a diplomatic one.

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