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Old January 1st, 2018, 04:43 AM   #1
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How inferior were monkey model Soviet weapons?

Compared to the ones the Soviets used?
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Old January 1st, 2018, 11:32 AM   #2

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It is difficult to find more than a handful of conclusive examples of monkey models and Suvorov who popularized this idea isn't very reliable though looking at U.S. arms exports there are definitely many times 'lesser' models are exported though usually the removed or obsolete equipment is focused on electronics, sensors, guidance systems and that sort of thing where Suvorov was claiming major systems were missing such as tanks without automatic loaders, or anti-recoil systems and even with stripped armor or different armor.

It might well be true in some instances but during late 1990s when U.S. got access compare some of the 'improved' versions of Soviet models vs the exported monkey models it was quite rare to find major differences though similar to U.S. not including modern electronics Soviets also did this as well not giving some of the more current penetrating ammunitions with tungsten or uranium.

Bigger cause of underperformance was training and maintenance where Soviet advisors might have trained friendly states up to 80% of the level of a good Soviet technician and the handful of thusly trained technicians passed on their knowledge to an even lower level for the next cadre.

The main exception seems to have been for foreign pilots who trained with Soviet Air Forces often for several months could be quite good but their maintenance crews and some of the weapons they were provided were subpar though they still managed sometimes good performances despite those shortcomings.
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Old January 1st, 2018, 12:51 PM   #3

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guy on the radio used to joke that Gorbachev flew on a Tupelov plane with technology stolen from Boeing.

story I heard;
sometime in the 1990s we got hold of some Soviet radio gear (from a downed plane, maybe a defector, maybe from a tank) and were impressed at their solid-state-transistor technology. obviously they wanted hardened equipment that would survive nuclear EMP.

turns out they just hadn't figured out how to digitalize stuff yet.
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Old January 2nd, 2018, 01:57 AM   #4

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Originally Posted by ren0312 View Post
Compared to the ones the Soviets used?
If memory serves, after the 1982 war Syria got the T-72A, but only in exchange for important captured enemy stuff. Iraq, which lacked such a bargaining chip, had to make do with the T-72M, and was utterly slaughtered in '91.
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