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Old February 20th, 2013, 06:15 AM   #31
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1) France was lost as partner in 1940, the SU was threatening in the east. There were hopes, that Germany could guarantee the integrity of Romania and Antonescu hoped to succeed in the eastern campaign.
2) The reasons was the bad economical situation of Romania in the end of the war and the decreasing support for the Antonescu regime and of course Antonescu had not wiped out the opposition or other legal institutions like the king.
Following the outbreak of World War II on 1 September 1939, the Kingdom of Romania under King Carol II officially adopted a position of neutrality. However, the rapidly changing situation in Europe during 1940, as well as domestic political upheaval, undermined this stance. France and Britain — crumbled in the Fall of France, the government of Romania turned to Germany in hopes of a similar guarantee, unaware that the currently dominant European power had already granted its consent to Soviet territorial claims in a secret protocol of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact, signed back in 1939.

In summer 1940, a series of territorial disputes were resolved unfavorably to Romania, resulting in the loss of most of the territory gained in the wake of World War I. This caused the popularity of Romania's government to plummet, further reinforcing the fascist and military factions, who had eventually staged a coup that turned the country into a fascist dictatorship under Maresal Ion Antonescu. The new regime firmly set the country on a course towards the Axis camp, officially joining the Axis Powers on 23 November 1940

The German army used Romania as a launch pad for the invasion of the Soviet Union, using Romania's border with the Ukraine (then part of the USSR) to attack Russia. It also provided men and arms for the German struggle in Russia. However, the most vital factor that few people mention, is that Romania possessed the Ploesti oilfields. These oilfields were essential to Hitler's war effort, providing him with the majority of the oil for his army's vehicles and aircraft. Once Hitler's attempted conquest of the Caucasus for it's vital oilfields failed and after as his "fortress Europe" began to crumble around him, Hitler became totally dependent on Romanian oil. However, once the Red Army advanced and Romania collapsed, German forces grew desperately short of fuel

The total number of troops involved in the Romanian Third Army and the Romanian Fourth Army was second only to Nazi Germany itself. The Romanian Army had a total of 686,258 men under arms in the summer of 1941 and a total of 1,224,691 men in the summer of 1944. The number of Romanian troops sent to fight in Russia exceeded that of all of Germany's other allies combined. A Country Study by the U.S. Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress attributes this to a "morbid competition with Hungary to curry Hitler's favor... [in hope of]... regaining northern Transylvania

During the battle of Stalingrad, the Red Army -MADE SURE- to strike a blow against the Romanian army that was guarding the left flank of the German army in Stalingrad.
Needless to say...being poorly equipped, freezing to death, and not all too sure as to WHY or WHAT they were doing there, the Romanians folded like cards, and allowed the Red Army tanks to pour through. Thus, sealing the fate of the 6th German army in Stalingrad.

When Soviet forces entered Romania in September 1944 the king and various conservative army officers had Antonescu arrested and wanted to surrender to the Soviet Union. They were told that surrendering wasn't good enough and that they had to change sides - which they did.In a radio broadcast to the Romanian nation and army on the night of 23 August King Michael issued a cease-fire, proclaimed Romania's loyalty to the Allies, announced the acceptance of an armistice (to be signed on September 12)offered by Great Britain, the United States, and the USSR, and declared war on Germany

During the Moscow Conference in October 1944 Winston Churchill, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, proposed an agreement to Soviet leader Joseph Stalin on how to split up Eastern Europe into spheres of influence after the war. The Soviet Union was offered a 90% share of influence in Romania. Ok they did this to Romania ...but Poland ?! pff

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Old February 20th, 2013, 06:27 AM   #32
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I don't understand way France and England didn't declair war on URSS when they ocupaid hafe of Poland..?

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The total number of troops involved in the Romanian Third Army and the Romanian Fourth Army was second only to Nazi Germany itself. The Romanian Army had a total of 686,258 men under arms in the summer of 1941 and a total of 1,224,691 men in the summer of 1944. The number of Romanian troops sent to fight in Russia exceeded that of all of Germany's other allies combined. A Country Study by the U.S. Federal Research Division of the Library of Congress attributes this to a "morbid competition with Hungary to curry Hitler's favor... [in hope of]... regaining northern Transylvania
I the Soviet Union the Romanians used the 3rd and 4th army with ca. 300,000 men. In november 1942 they had ca. 267,000 men available. The 3rd army had 3 cavalry and 7 infantry divisions, the 4th army 1 tank division, 2 cavalry divisions and 5 infantry divsions. The were further 4 mountain divisions, 2 cavalry divisions and 2 infantry dvisions on the Crimean PI and the caucasus.
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The german irretrievable tank losses were about 240 and ca. 400 mechanical losses.
According to my info Germans lost 993 tanks and armoured vehicles however many of them were later repaired and came back to service.
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Polish army used cavalry because it was prepared for the war against Soviet Union, where the roads and communication was very poor and where it would be hard to find or transport fuel to motorised troops.
so, polish planned to invade ussr?
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so, polish planned to invade ussr?
rather excepted that war against USSR is more likelly to happend than with Germany. Also Polish navy was built according to expectations of war against Soviet Union. After the war Polish communists were especially criticizing the fact that Polish navy purchased large minelayer which could have take 600 naval mines and were asking what was it for. Well, it was only for one thing, for mining the etrance of Finnish bay in one trip and to close soviet Navy inside it.
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Romanians intodruced race laws and discrimination already in 1937.
This absolutely not truth - I wonder what is your source. in 1937, the legionar movement obtained 15% in parliament, beeing a great victory for them. Anyway, the other parties refused any colaboration with them, and remained out of power till 1940, after Carol II abdication.
On the other hand:
- Roamnian authorities didn't kill 400 000 jews, but 150 000. Majority bessarabian jews;
- bessarabian jews, from their arrival in 18 cnt, were used by the russians as russiafication factor: they were promoted into administration, cultural circles...
- in 1940, from the all 3000 communist party members in Bessarabia, 80% were jews
- Romania recognised that the majority of the jews were loial to romanians authorithies, but Antonescu used the secular antisemitic antipathy, for his own purposes
- the behaviour of the soviet invaders in 1940, was simply animalic: 4000 romanians soldiers whom the authorities ordered to give up their weapons(intact), and to not respond, were killed.
- the behaviour of the soviets, in one single year, between 1940 and 1941, was animalic: 30 000 people were deported, and few thousands executed.

I don't think the germans encountered the same reasons for retaliation before the war. Never speaking the Antonescu regime ampliffied these truths toward romanian soldiers and civils. The russians made progroms before 1941, and after 1944. Romanians only after 1941.
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rather excepted that war against USSR is more likelly to happend than with Germany. Also Polish navy was built according to expectations of war against Soviet Union. After the war Polish communists were especially criticizing the fact that Polish navy purchased large minelayer which could have take 600 naval mines and were asking what was it for. Well, it was only for one thing, for mining the etrance of Finnish bay in one trip and to close soviet Navy inside it.
the truth about polish planes was other: it was a 7 years colaboration between romanians and polish, and it was reciprocal(with a larger polish contribution). anyway, romanians finally obtained better results(is true, after having access of the german engines).
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According to my info Germans lost 993 tanks and armoured vehicles however many of them were later repaired and came back to service.
Germans lost 670 tanks (mainly I and II) and ca. 300 armoured vehicles. From these 670 tanks, 240 were irretrievable losses. For germans only a lost tank was a loss. So if it could be repaired by the troops itself, it was no loss.
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Prior to the Soviet counteroffensive at Stalingrad, the Antonescu government considered a war with Hungary over Transylvania an inevitability after the expected victory over the Soviet Union. Although it was the most dedicated ally of Germany, Romania's turning to the Allied side in August 1944 was rewarded with Northern Transylvania, which had been granted to Hungary in 1940 after the Second Vienna Award.

The Romanian Army ended the war fighting against the Wehrmacht alongside the Red Army in Transylvania, Hungary, Yugoslavia, Austria and Czechoslovakia, from August 1944 until the end of the war in Europe. In May 1945, the First and Fourth armies took part in the Prague Offensive. The Romanian Army incurred heavy casualties fighting Nazi Germany. Of some 538,000 Romanian soldiers who fought against the Axis in 1944-45, some 167,000 were killed, wounded or went missing

Under the 1947 Treaty of Paris, the Allies did not acknowledge Romania as a co-belligerent nation. Northern Transylvania was, once again, recognized as an integral part of Romania, but the border with the USSR was fixed at its state on January 1941, restoring the pre-Barbarossa status quo. Following the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991, these territories became part of Ukraine and the Republic of Moldova, respectively.

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