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Old February 20th, 2013, 12:43 PM   #51
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I would rather say that Poland wasnt prepared
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)) i don't understand what you lost and what you gain in ww2 in territories.. i was curios about the ethnic population in Poland after ww2. You saiyd much more territories you lost related to Romanian lost..and it is important to know in km sq what you lost after ww2 what you gain..

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Old February 20th, 2013, 12:52 PM   #52
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)) i don't understand what you lost in ww2 and what you gain in territories
well, everything is on the map above, we lost eastern half of the country, in exchange we recived some Eastern Prussia, Western Pomerania, Silesia.

Historic territory of Poland (we had Moldavia in some moments )

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAVVWlUywO0]Polska Poland Borders 990 - 2008 - YouTube[/ame]
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Well ) you have Moldava in some moments or parts of Moldova?..it is not that important i don't know about deportation of romanians in Moldova by Poland or mass killings..or ethnic mass population of Poland in Moldova..

Romania lost territories in ww2 we didn't gain any other territories so my eyes tell me that in km sq we lost more territories than Poland after ww2 related whit the period between 1919-1938

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WJzsgfFMus]Romanians - Ethnic map evolution between 200 B.C. and present - YouTube[/ame]

In this map you see Romania between 1919-1938 and after 1946 whit the lost territories. In you map the territory annexed by Poland in Germany was part of Poland before ww2 ( between 1919-1930)?

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Well ) you have Moldava in some moments or parts of Moldova?..it is not that important i don't know about deportation of romanians in Moldova by Poland or mass killings..or ethnic mass population of Poland in Moldova..
You still have Polish minority living in Romania


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Romania lost territories in ww2 we didn't gain any other territories
You have lost the war, we were on the winning side (at least Iv heard about it )


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so my eyes tell that in km sq we lost more territories than Poland
our total loss was 78.000 square kilometres

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In you map the territory annexed by Poland in Germany was part of Poland before ww2 ( between 1919-1930)?
No, it was our territory in some parts in 11th century, in other parts in 14th century.
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You still have Polish minority living in Romania


our total loss was 78.000 square kilometres



No, it was our territory in some parts in 11th century, in other parts in 14th century.

78.000 square kilometres -(minus) territories you gain? or what this is the total number -(minus) territories gain?

45,600 sq km Basarabia, hafe of Bukovina 5000 km aq hafe of Dobrogea 10.000 ..let's say 60.000 sq km..Much more a? You didn't say about winning side..lol Just calculating territories lost after ww2 related whit period between 1919-1945 So if you gain some territories we have to calculat them to..

And remember i am frustrated about how Poland was in the winning side and lost so many territories ."Freedom" comunist forced bulshit..and i am serious not like you blaa bla bla you lost the war..We didn't gain territories, we lost ...but someone from Poland to say to a Romanian ///'You lost the war..is very strange..after 60 years of shared forced comunism..and etc..

What whit this point of view about Poland had Moldova?! Tell me on this map were Poland conquered territories In Moldova (remember Moldova lands in medieval period is Republic of Moldova nowadays/Basarabia + the territory inside Romania named Moldova+Bucovina .. some parts in Uckrain, Romania and Republica Moldova)

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78.000 square kilometres -(minus) territories you gain? or what this is the total number -(minus) territories gain?

45,600 sq km Basarabia, hafe of Bukovina 5000 km aq hafe of Dobrogea 10.000 ..let's say 60.000 sq km..Much more a? You didn't say about winning side..lol Just calculating territories lost after ww2 related whit period between 1919-1945 So if you gain some territories we have to calculat them to..
No, after Stalin took his share and we recived part of German territory, we are still smaller for 78.000 square kilometres, compared to our territory before the start of WW2.

Territory of Poland 1 september 1939 - 389 720 km²

Territory of Poland 21 february 2013 - 312,685 km2


So we lost not 78000 but 77.035 square kilometres. And we were from the first day of war in the allied camp.




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And remember i am frustrated about how Poland was in the winning side and lost so many territories ."Freedom" comunist forced bulshit..and i am serious not like you blaa bla bla you lost the war..We didn't gain territories, we lost ...but someone from Poland to say to a Romanian ///'You lost the war..is very strange..after 60 years of shared forced comunism..and etc..
What I mean is that it doesnt matter who was on which side because we were treated equally.
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What whit this point of view about Poland had Moldova?! Tell me on this map were Poland conquered territories In Moldova (remember Moldova lands in medieval period is Republic of Moldova nowadays/Basarabia + the territory inside Romania named Moldova+Bucovina .. some parts in Uckrain, Romania and Republica Moldova)
We have ruled Moldova several times in history. I think the first time is shown on this map, about year 1466 (southern part with Bialogrod lost to Ottomans in 1484):

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You didn't answer about Poland had Moldova..Realy i know something about some fights when Stefan cel Mare and Vlad Tepes lived..

The diference between Poland and Romania in ww2.
- Germany didn't attacked Romania. Romania alied whit germany because of opressing Rusian force in Basarabia..we change sides to our historical alies beacause we were in risk to be destroyed( we realy didn't like Germany or Rusia..) Now i am glad that we fight bravely against them..we lost many people in war over 1 milion. We lost territories inhabited by romanians (majority) in the hands of Rusia
-Poland was "rape" by all the countries even if they fought bravely against Rusia and Germany. England, America, France has a moral duty for Poland and i don't know if now matter anymore.. they should have declare war to Rusia for you after ww2 or give them a serious warning. But no Rusia take territories from Poland..Poland from Germnay..etc couminsm influence..

The Big question is. Poland likes better nowadays territories or Poland desire more the territories between 1919-1938? ( If they were to choose)?

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Oh you ruled ..not part of Poland. i don't understand from the map, Poland rule all the medieval Moldova? It is very strange because Stefan cel Mare rule in Moldova between 1457 and 1504 and what a awsome history Stefan has, many victories against the otomans....so i guess what you are saying is just a very short period of time ...and didn't change romanians Moldovian history. What part of "rule in Moldova" means for Poland in Moldova that time?
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You didn't answer about Poland had Moldova..Realy i know something about some fights when Stefan cel Mare and Vlad Tepes lived..
Moldova was too weak to keep independence so some of its rulers decided to accept king of Poland as their ruler and became lenients of Poland. For example Alexandru cel Bun payed homage to king of Poland in 1404 in Kamieniec Podolski and in 1407 in Lwów (Lviv, Lemberg). King of Poland demanded Moldovian military help in his wars against Teutonic Order but when in 1420 Ottomans took Kilia, Polish king helped him to recapture it.

Another one:

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petru_I_of_Moldavia"]Petru I of Moldavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

Petru I Muşat was [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voivode"]Voivode[/ame] (prince) of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavia"]Moldavia[/ame] from 1375 to 1391, the son[[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/ame]] of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Costea_of_Moldova"]Costea Muşat[/ame], the first ruler from the dynastic [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Bogdan"]House of Bogdan[/ame]. During his reign, he maintained good relationships with his neighbours, especially Poland.
On September 27, 1387, at Lwów he paid [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homage"]homage[/ame] to the Polish king Władysław II Jagiełło, making Moldavia a Polish [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fief"]fief[/ame] ....


and from:
[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldavia"]Moldavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

The Wallachian prince [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_the_Brave"]Michael the Brave[/ame] deposed Prince Ieremia in 1600, and managed to become the very first monarch to unite Moldavia, Wallachia, and Transylvania under his rule; the episode ended in Polish conquests of lands down to [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucharest"]Bucharest[/ame], soon ended by the outbreak of the Polish–Swedish War and the reestablishment of Ottoman rule. Polish incursions were dealt a blow by the Ottomans during the 1620 Battle of Cecora, which also saw an end to the reign of [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaspar_Graziani"]Gaspar Graziani[/ame].

Polish army suffered defeat in the battle of Cosmin Forest where Moldovians beat Polish army(1497).

[ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Cosmin_Forest"]Battle of the Cosmin Forest - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


But also enjoyed some victories:

from: [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_the_Brave"]Michael the Brave - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]


A Polish army led by [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Zamoyski"]Jan Zamoyski[/ame] drove the Wallachians from Moldavia and defeated Michael at Năieni, [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ceptura"]Ceptura[/ame], and [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucov"]Bucov[/ame] (Battle of the Teleajăn River). The Polish army also entered eastern Wallachia and established Simion Movilă as ruler. Forces loyal to Michael remained only in [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oltenia"]Oltenia[/ame]

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