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Old June 10th, 2018, 09:44 PM   #1

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Could a Plate Armor Mitten Gauntlet Substitute for a Buckler?


Could a plate armor mitten-style gauntlet perform as well as a buckler in martial combat (this is assuming your not wearing any other armor)? Or does the buckler give you better protection/versatility?
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Old June 11th, 2018, 01:52 AM   #2
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A buckler or target will perform better than an armored gauntlet. The buckler has a larger surface area, that allows for a greater margin of error in defending against strikes compared to trying to bat them away with your hand.
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I feel as though a buckler would be less painful. The armor may stop physical damage, but the force of impact will probably still sting at the very least. The grip and wider surface area I believe would make it less painful to block.
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Standoff matters. The gauntlet will protect skin from being cut but will still take full blunt force of the hit. A buckler has standoff, the hand only grips the handle, doesn't contact the boss, body or rim.
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Standoff matters. The gauntlet will protect skin from being cut but will still take full blunt force of the hit. A buckler has standoff, the hand only grips the handle, doesn't contact the boss, body or rim.
Riot polices still use plastic body shields today.
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Old June 13th, 2018, 11:40 PM   #6
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Riot polices still use plastic body shields today.
The buckler was a small shield, and you didn't use it the same way you used other shields or police use modern plastic body shields. It was too small to stand behind for protection, useless against arrows or other projectiles.

Instead, the buckler was used to actively block your oppenents blows, somewhat like you might use a second sword to block or parry a sword blow, but being larger area than just a sword or dagger, it made it easier for blocking than using a sword. Being smaller, it was easier and faster to move around, and less tiring to hold.

I bring tnis up, because with your reference to a riot police body shield, it didn't seem like you understood what a buckler was used for.
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A buckler presumably gave better protection, but fencing with a gauntlet or mail glove in the off hand was studied and practiced during the elizabethan period. Especially as the use of armor declined, you often hear of cavalrymen in this period wearing a gauntlet on their left hand only in order to more easily handle a pistol with their right.
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A buckler presumably gave better protection, but fencing with a gauntlet or mail glove in the off hand was studied and practiced during the elizabethan period. Especially as the use of armor declined, you often hear of cavalrymen in this period wearing a gauntlet on their left hand only in order to more easily handle a pistol with their right.

As Bart Dale mentioned, a buckler fulfills the same purpose as a parrying dagger, which in turn serves the same purpose as an armored (or quilted) gauntlet or even a cloak.

You are correct in that there are manuscripts which show techniques for using an armored gauntlet or a cloak or other things. That doesn't make an armored gauntlet the equal of a buckler or target. It's not.
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Old June 14th, 2018, 05:59 AM   #9

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There was such a thing as a buckler with an integrated gauntlet (and other accessories). They were generally called "lantern shields".

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A buckler presumably gave better protection, but fencing with a gauntlet or mail glove in the off hand was studied and practiced during the elizabethan period. Especially as the use of armor declined, you often hear of cavalrymen in this period wearing a gauntlet on their left hand only in order to more easily handle a pistol with their right.
The buckler/targe became obsolete in the decade 1590-1600 mostly because it had become more and more bullet proof. That made it too heavy and difficult to handle. It may still have had some use in the front rank if "push of pike" had still been common, but, as noted elsewhere, the increasing use of firearms had made the melee rare, and the target a burden and a waste of manpower.

As far as fencing or dueling, fencing was becoming more of an exercise, and dueling by the beginning of the 17th century was becoming frowned upon. The early modern state had begun to discourage personal combat - especially among its own elites - as not in the interests of the state

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