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Old August 23rd, 2010, 02:21 PM   #1

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What are the vilest (by today's standard) post-action atrocities committed by one army or force, upon another?

After battles and especially the 1099 siege of Jerusalem, the victorious Crusaders would slice open dead or alive Saracen enemies to find golden coins and jewellery. Medieval chronicler Fulcher of Chartres;

'in order to extract from their intestines the bezants [gold coins] which the Saracens had gulped down their loathsome throats while alive'

Didn't some soldiers sodomise their enemies (dead or captives?) after battle?


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Old August 23rd, 2010, 02:43 PM   #2

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One could also add to that, judged by todays standards after all.

Saladins execution of the Military Orders after the Battle of Hattin in 1187.

Richard I's execution of 3000 muslim prisoners after the fall of Acre in 1191

The sack of Beziers in 1209, Kill them all, God will know His own

The siege and sack of Magdeburg 1631, some 25000 dead, allegedly.

Cromwells siege and sack of Drogheda and Wexford.
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Or the cannibalism at the siege of Marrat al Numan in 1098 on the First Crusade.
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Or the cannibalism at the siege of Marrat al Numan in 1098 on the First Crusade.
A good example. I agree with all your choices in the first post except for one - I hardly view Salah ad-Din's execution of his Templar captives as an atrocity - but rather fine (if harsh) justice.
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Crassus' crucifixition of his captives after he defeated Spartacus. Not considered an atrocity by the standards of his day, but pretty horrible to our modern sensibilities.
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I hardly view Salah ad-Din's execution of his Templar captives as an atrocity - but rather fine (if harsh) justice.

Lol well from Saladins POV they certainly had it coming I guess, also practically removes an elite core from Outremer military. Though Im sure Richard I might have had similar notions at Acre a few years later.
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Lol well from Saladins POV they certainly had it coming I guess, also practically removes an elite core from Outremer military. Though Im sure Richard I might have had similar notions at Acre a few years later.
If I understand correctly, Richard executed them simply because he didn't have the time and resources to do anything else with them.

Salah ad-Din had been holding a personal grudge against the Templars and Reynald d'Chatillon after the sack of Mecca. As I'm sure you know, he swore to kill Reynald with his own hands.

BTW - it is pretty awesome to have someone on Historum very knowledgeable in the Crusades. It's an area of interest for me too, though I wouldn't consider it my speciality.
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True, Richard couldnt just let 3000 men go back to Saladin while still engaged in operations against him and he couldnt keep hold of them that for sure. But the execution of the Templars was used as justification for the act. Tit for tat essentially.


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Any battles the Mongols fought really. There conquest of Perisa was very bad.
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Buqara and Samarkand?
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