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Old November 21st, 2010, 05:49 AM   #1
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I miss the old battleships and their majesty and sleek designs. I was privelidged to attend the "recommissioning ceremonies" of the USS New Jersey BB62, in Long Beach, CA. in the 1980's. I remember Ronald Reagen's speach saying "she's old, she's gray, she's had a face lift" We took a ride out and around the channel islands and oh, what a BEAUTIFUL and gracefull old girl she was. She was a Missouri class BB that was launched in the latter days of WWII. She was outfitted with missile launchers and computer operated gatling guns that could riddle incoming missiles with 1000 rounds per minute.

I would like, someday, to go to Pearl Harbor and see the Arizona and the mighty Mo.
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I agree, aircraft carriers just lack the majesty of a battleship.

Howeevr the Russians still operate 4 Kirov class battlecruisers all built in the 1980's. The last great naval ships on earth.
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Highly recommend Robert Massie's narrative Dreadnought about the battleship arms race between imperial Germany vs. Great Britain in the decade prior to WW1.

Amazon.com: Dreadnought (9780345375568): Robert K. Massie: Books
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It's a significant consideration since Britain depended on naval superority for its existence, and Germany was irrationally fixed on challenging British naval supermacy by developing naval resources on Germany's north coast from Hamburg, Williamshaven, thru the Kiel Canal to Danzig--in other words, right in Britain's geographical face.

Furthermore, Germany's development of the U-Boats presented a real innovational threat to seafaring.
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I miss the old battleships and their majesty and sleek designs. I was privelidged to attend the "recommissioning ceremonies" of the USS New Jersey BB62, in Long Beach, CA. in the 1980's. I remember Ronald Reagen's speach saying "she's old, she's gray, she's had a face lift" We took a ride out and around the channel islands and oh, what a BEAUTIFUL and gracefull old girl she was. She was a Missouri class BB that was launched in the latter days of WWII. She was outfitted with missile launchers and computer operated gatling guns that could riddle incoming missiles with 1000 rounds per minute.

I would like, someday, to go to Pearl Harbor and see the Arizona and the mighty Mo.
For the record....The New Jersey and Misouri were both Iowa-class battleships.
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They were beautiful things and as the OP; had a similar experience. I was privileged to have been aboard the USS Missouri (BB63) prior to her recommissioning when she was in Bremerton and watched on the news her passage under escort by USS Ohio ((SSBN-726/SSGN-726)) allegedly; thru the straits of Juan de Fuca) and then later, USS Wisconsin (BB64).

But long before that I was privileged to walk the decks of my alma mater state's owns finest....USS Texas (BB35) The last of the 'gallant' ladies.

Hence I claim the hat trick.
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Both the Missouri and New Jersey have visited the harbour town in my City (Fremantle).
Fremantle was an important friendly port, supply and repair point for the US Navy during WWII. In fact it was a major port for the silent service at a time when they were the only arm of the US navy who could really take the fight to the Japanese.

Many US ships and carrier groups have stopped in at Fremantle over the years. I really enjoyed seeing those two battlewagons though.
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I'm much more of an aircraft carrier guy myself
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I've been fortunate enough to go to Pearl and tour the Missouri as well as spend the night on the USS Yorktown and tour the Lexington. In my opinion aircraft carriers will never have the beauty and feel of raw power that battleships possess. It is true that a modern carrier's air wing will always outmatch the power of a battleship, but the carriers themselves lack the intimidation of a battleship.

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For the record....The New Jersey and Misouri were both Iowa-class battleships.
You're confusing the issues with facts!!! Yes MY BAD
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In my opinion aircraft carriers will never have the beauty and feel of raw power that battleships possess. It is true that a modern carrier's air wing will always outmatch the power of a battleship, but the carriers themselves lack the intimidation of a battleship.
I can't agree... factually, the entire lesson of WWII was that battleships were albatrosses and that the only ships that really WERE intimidating were carriers ( and, today, nuclear submarines)

Jutland proved that naval gun platforms were expensive and short lived in the actual press of battle...
Both the Bismark and the Yamato proved to be huge wastes of resources that had zero impact on the war.
And the attack on Pearl Harbor, which decimated our battleship fleet and left our carriers intact proved that not having the battleships was essentially a non-issue in crippling US naval power.

The battleship was not maneuverable enough to serve as a decent escort to the real jewels of the fleet- (the carriers) and so they spent the majority of WWII acting as offshore barrage platforms... little more than an artillery battery.

And even in its heyday... it was analogous to modern arms races that have no real impact because the weapons themselves turn out to be semi useless.


As powerful as the Bismark was- it was taken out by a couple of BIPLANES.


The recommissioned battleship was okay for Littoral warfare... but we have not really needed much of that capability since the marine invasions of WWII.

In the first gulf war they had to bend over backwards to figure out how they could employ the battleships, just so the navy would not look foolish for having them around... And, oddly- it turned out they made lousy missle platforms... but that artillery barrage was their only economical use...
And when the turret on one of these machines exploded... the Navy finally faced total decommission... why? because the technology to make the 16 inch guns had died with the men who invented it... and no existing company could manufacture replacements.

Sorry... Like all the dreadnoughts... they were born of a colonial era for shows of force and great for intimidating the colonials... but they never turned out to be all the decisive in any war.

We won against japan because we could afford to replace the carriers they hit... and they could not afford to replace the carriers we hit.

the battleships had nothing going for them but mystique they never really deserved.
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