Dameoyaji

No you cannot. Do you give your friends' personal contact info to strangers?

Dameoyaji

We are not, for example, at war with Canada and daily promising to annihilate them. And don't attempt to tell me who are "not humans" in MY book. That is offensive, inappropriate, and dishonest.

Dameoyaji

http://pacificfreeze.ips-dc.org/2010...ng-arms-trade/

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/23/ma...unterfeit.html

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/row/RL33324.pdf


Any other questions?

Dameoyaji

http://www.rachi.go.jp/en/index.html


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4123277.stm


and since you asked:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp...nguage=printer

urtel

Here is list of ur sources, NK enemy propaganda (news papers, TV) and 3 dissidents!

Using all this mighty sources for 30 years you “proof” 13 abducted ppl one 13 year old and 50.000.000 (estimate) forged $, and 100.000.000$ of arm trade..

Now let as say this is all true, how much ppl yearly be abducted in NY City only?
Do u know how little 50 mil $ is comparing to USA yearly budget, and this is for period of 10 years by USA estimate?
Do u know how much one USA exported airplane cost?
100 mil $ is not enough for 10 planes, and i just read all links u post they give me 0 proofs for 100 mill number just estimates of so called experts, official number is 22,4mil$ exported weapons from NK damn that is big number, little more than 1 plane by USA prices. You accuse them for exporting everything from guns to nukes, they really sell it cheep everything for one USA plane .

About your source NY Times and BBC, see i have personal problem here mine nation was accused by your “sources” for 40.000 rapes in Bosnia, war is over for 15 years do you know how many is got to court? Less than 100 for 4 years long war..
But see because of fine work of your source’s (deep field exploration – read sit in best hotel in area and write fairy tales) i will for rest of life be marked as genocide rapist.

So pls, u can believe them as much as u want but when u call other ppl brainwashed just spend 1 sec of your time thinking is there a little chance that guy who never come close to NK - SK border maybe just writing good story for fine money and have no clue what is really going on there.

Let me on example of your links show how propaganda work, FBI catch ship under Panama flag with forged 700.000$, other ship in Macao and they get 1 forged build from bank in Philipine all forged $.
But what link those 3 cases with NK, only story writer, even he say for example if USA get some forged $ in Middle East they instantly KNOW that is forged in Iran ..

Dameoyaji

I provided you with evidence cutting down each and every point you tried to raise or (fairly public) information you tried to doubt and now you are, predictably, attempting to:

1) deny sources
2) change the subject
3) diminish or deny the facts
4) spin the information

You were quite simply wrong on every point and I've have proven it so. You should acknowledge this and move on.

Dameoyaji

That much is very, very clear.

Narses

Just like the Korean war and everything from the cold war, western media and government would tell you that communists started everything, that they are the embodiment of evil. If you look at the communist side, the media and government would tell you the exact opposite. The truth? It lies somewhere in between.　It would be stupid to trust any source of information completely.

rehabnonono

I don't know about you urtel, but when I was a student newspapers weren't the standard form of evidence taught to use as reference material, so I agree with you. Having witnessed the media, UN and aid agency circuses myself first hand in East Timor I can understand a little of your concerns about what is written in the western media.

We all need to see NK as humans under immense pressure, militarily, diplomatically, economically, and even psychologically. War has been a constant threat for them for over 60 years. This changes people over time and the South Koreans have also been twisted and changed by this as well, so it's no picnic down there either.

As I mentioned elsewhere the Chinese media, even non-government, has started to ramp up the the anti-US sentiment, expecting an attack on NK any day. It is spoken of almost naturally, as a forgone conclusion, that this is what America wants and that is exactly what it will do. Chinese people see this as a test for the Chinese leadership. So we can expect that regardless of what one diplomat says to another over a "good dinner", that the Chinese will stand up to the US over this.

...unless of course there is something in it for them.