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Old April 30th, 2017, 10:45 PM   #31
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I can see them focusing on the English more then the Russians and the French due to a more "cordial" relationship between Germany(and it's predecessors such as Prussia,etc) and England over the last 200+ yrs.
The French and the Russians were often old foes of the various Germanic states throughout history so I imagine not much was needed to stir up feelings of animosity against them.

Russian enemies of the German States? Maybe in Star Wars? No War betwee Russian and Prussia (or any other German State) from 1763 (I don´t count the ephemeral Napoleonic alliances only lasted few months).
In fact, Russia and German States were good and "excellent" friends and till 1907/1908 (In spite of the alliance with Vienna) there were more fluid and cordial relations between Berlin and Saint Petersburg than between Berlin and Wien... in fact, Austria (not Russia) was the enemy of Prussia.
In fact, there were greater hostility between London and Saint Petersburg, or between London and Paris than between London and Berlin or London and Vienna.

The only real hostility was between France and German Empire. (The hostility between Wien/Budapest and Saint Petersburg was very very recent in 1914 and it was not based on "historical" account). Far from the common could think.. Wien and Saint Petersburg had been excellent friends.
In 1914, only France and the German Confederation were "traditional" enemies (but Hey, remember, the German Rhin States were heavily influenced by France from 18th Century).
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Old May 1st, 2017, 10:08 AM   #32
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French and Russian they matter not,
A blow for a blow and a shot for a shot;
We love them not, we hate them not,
We hold the Weichsel and Vosges-gate,
We have but one and only hate,
We love as one, we hate as one,
We have one foe and one alone.
He is known to you all, he is known to you all,
He crouches behind the dark grey flood,
Full of envy, of rage, of craft, of gall,
Cut off by waves that are thicker than blood,
Come, let us stand at the Judgment place,
An oath to swear to, face to face,
An oath of bronze no wind can shake,
An oath for our sons and their sons to take.
Come, hear the word, repeat the word,
Throughout the Fatherland make it heard.
We will never forego our hate,
We have but one single hate,
We love as one, we hate as one,
We have one foe, and one alone --
ENGLAND!

Take you the folk of the Earth in pay,
With bars of gold your ramparts lay,
Bedeck the ocean with bow on bow,
Ye reckon well, but not well enough now.
French and Russian, they matter not,
A blow for a blow, a shot for a shot,
We fight the battle with bronze and steel,
And the time that is coming Peace will seal.
You we will hate with a lasting hate,
We will never forego our hate,
Hate by water and hate by land,
Hate of the head and hate of the hand,
Hate of the hammer and hate of the crown,
Hate of seventy millions choking down.
We love as one, we hate as one,
We have one foe and one alone--
ENGLAND!

* * *
Gott strafe England!
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 05:54 AM   #33
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OH dear!-where do Istart?
Firstly you ca the S
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 06:23 AM   #34
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Scots as 'honoray English' stuff. The majority of modern Scots reject that as patronising and offensive . We sre Scots not 'honorary 'anything else.
Secondly 'FLOWER OF SCOTLAND '' our adopted national anthem in preference to that awful dirge ''God Save the Queen'-is not a hymn of hate-that too is twaddle.
The lyrics specifically state'those days are gone now and so they must remain...''
In contrast ''God Save he Queen still has a verse (admittedly no longer used) which talks about confounding the damned Scots.'
Hatred of Scots was endemic in 19th century England (although Queen Victoria was enpormously enraptured with Scottish highland culture.
For example, Charles Lamb- whose essays was popular as a school English exam topic as late the 1960's-was virulently anti-Scottish and anti Jewish.
Se Lamb's essay ''IMPERFECT SYMPATHIES' where he confesses his loathing for all Jews and Scots in equal measure.
Again, it would appear that the further east you live in modern Europe then you will have no idea that ''England' ceased to exist as a separate nation on May 1st 17O7 when the United Kingdom was created by the Treaty of Union between Scotland and England.
Again I am struck by the ignorance I encounter here on this topic about the Auld Aliiance between France and Scotland that existed for over 200 years .
Fighting the French in that time was an English conceit-the French were the alliies of we Scots-not our enemies.- and two French Queens -Mary of Guise and Mary Queen of Scots ruled Scotland in the early 16th century.
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That may be a surprise for some but the Portuguese national anthem, was basically written against the British:

“Contra os canhões marchar, marchar…”
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“Against the cannons, we march, we march…”
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 07:15 AM   #36
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Scots as 'honoray English' stuff. The majority of modern Scots reject that as patronising and offensive . We sre Scots not 'honorary 'anything else.
Secondly 'FLOWER OF SCOTLAND '' our adopted national anthem in preference to that awful dirge ''God Save the Queen'-is not a hymn of hate-that too is twaddle.
The lyrics specifically state'those days are gone now and so they must remain...''
In contrast ''God Save he Queen still has a verse (admittedly no longer used) which talks about confounding the damned Scots.'
Hatred of Scots was endemic in 19th century England (although Queen Victoria was enpormously enraptured with Scottish highland culture.
For example, Charles Lamb- whose essays was popular as a school English exam topic as late the 1960's-was virulently anti-Scottish and anti Jewish.
Se Lamb's essay ''IMPERFECT SYMPATHIES' where he confesses his loathing for all Jews and Scots in equal measure.
Again, it would appear that the further east you live in modern Europe then you will have no idea that ''England' ceased to exist as a separate nation on May 1st 17O7 when the United Kingdom was created by the Treaty of Union between Scotland and England.
Again I am struck by the ignorance I encounter here on this topic about the Auld Aliiance between France and Scotland that existed for over 200 years .
Fighting the French in that time was an English conceit-the French were the alliies of we Scots-not our enemies.- and two French Queens -Mary of Guise and Mary Queen of Scots ruled Scotland in the early 16th century.
The Auld Alliance can be officially dated back to about 1296, if my memory serves me right, but in a speech to the English Parliament King James VI & I stated that the alliance could be dated back to the time of the Merovingian Kings.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 08:56 AM   #37

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Scots as 'honoray English' stuff. The majority of modern Scots reject that as patronising and offensive . We sre Scots not 'honorary 'anything else.
Secondly 'FLOWER OF SCOTLAND '' our adopted national anthem in preference to that awful dirge ''God Save the Queen'-is not a hymn of hate-that too is twaddle.
The lyrics specifically state'those days are gone now and so they must remain...''
In contrast ''God Save he Queen still has a verse (admittedly no longer used) which talks about confounding the damned Scots.'
Hatred of Scots was endemic in 19th century England (although Queen Victoria was enpormously enraptured with Scottish highland culture.
For example, Charles Lamb- whose essays was popular as a school English exam topic as late the 1960's-was virulently anti-Scottish and anti Jewish.
Se Lamb's essay ''IMPERFECT SYMPATHIES' where he confesses his loathing for all Jews and Scots in equal measure.
Again, it would appear that the further east you live in modern Europe then you will have no idea that ''England' ceased to exist as a separate nation on May 1st 17O7 when the United Kingdom was created by the Treaty of Union between Scotland and England.
Again I am struck by the ignorance I encounter here on this topic about the Auld Aliiance between France and Scotland that existed for over 200 years .
Fighting the French in that time was an English conceit-the French were the alliies of we Scots-not our enemies.- and two French Queens -Mary of Guise and Mary Queen of Scots ruled Scotland in the early 16th century.
I was of the opinion Scottishness was very much in vogue in the Victorian period. English upper class society was very enraptured by Scottish things due to Victoria's love of all things Scottish. This is very much in contrast to the Georgian attitude in England in which I would agree there was a strong anti Scottish streak in the country. Stronger in the 1700s of course but still present in the early 19th century.

I recall and English officer being very affronted when he went to the theatre with two fellow officers of a highland regiment in the 1800s and the audience booed and heckled them crying "no Scots!" And they had to leave before it turned violent.
In the same period it was considered that the English and Irish could mingle freely with in a regiment, lowland Scots could be mixed with the former but Highland Scots should only serve alongside each other. Probably not a fair description but one given credence at the time.
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Old May 2nd, 2017, 12:33 PM   #38
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Yes Edric-there is much truth in what you say. The modern hHghland dress hire industry can be dated back to 1822 when novelist Sir Walter Scott capitalised on a state visit north of the border by King George IV -who despite his massive obesity -agreed to Scott's suggestion to wear full Highland dress which all the King's entourage did also.
But anti-Scottish feelings were also in evidence even later in the 19th century when a book ''THE UNSPEAKABLE SCOT'' was a popular seller.
But certainly Victoria gave Scottishness a huge boost by her love of Balmoral and her relationship with her favourite Caledonian retainer John Brown.
Today, Elizabeth Windsor is known as a huge fan of pipe band music.
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I've driven in a score of countries and driving across the city of Catania takes the cake for scary in my book.
Overall Russia and India would be worse. India because the people are pushy and fatalistic, if not sometimes completely ignorant of any concept of rules. The Russians because they really don't seem to understand what road safety is.

I saw some amusing footage of a Russian articulated hopper truck losing control and skidding to a halt on it's side. The load was cattle, who got up and wandered off the road somewhat surprised and dazed, otherwise none the worse for their experience.
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