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Old January 14th, 2011, 12:26 PM   #1

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Future wars


I have mentioned elsewhere that I have a keen interest in futurology. So in that interest, I ask you: Is the age of large scale conventional war a thing of the past? Will we ever see anything the likes of the two world wars?

The following is attributed to Albert Einstein: "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Fair enough, but still, what weapons and tactics do you suppose will define our next great war (if we're to have one), and what form will this war take? No Nostradamus stuff please

Here, I leave you with two interesting articles:

https://www.cia.gov/library/center-f...ce_of_war.html

How will future wars be fought?
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Old January 14th, 2011, 01:20 PM   #2

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Future war is being fought. Since the Cold War, warfare has been by terrorism and proxy, arming up a small country to fight another small country.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 01:29 PM   #3

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first, there will be a nuclear World War III, in which much of the world will become irradiated and the United States will split into three countries, the most powerful of which will be the American Empire. Japan will come out relatively unscathed and becoming a rising superpower as it develops a "radiation scrubber" that cures areas hit by nuclear bombs

then, there'll be a non-nuclear World War IV, over a dispute in the Indochinese Peninsula that causes it to also be known as the Second Vietnam War








actually, thats from ghost in the shell

i think that (against the rules of the thread) based on a nostradamus prediction i hear once that a great war will begin in 2012 and last twenty-seven years (to 2039), after which the world will experience 1000 years of peace.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 03:07 PM   #4

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I don't think there will be another world war on the scale of the last two.
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Old January 14th, 2011, 03:17 PM   #5

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I think that if there is a Third World war and that humanity survives it, its most important consequence would be the installation of a World government.

WW1=League of Nations(failure)
WW2=UN(partial success)
WW3=World governments, peace is achieved.

Thats how I see it.
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I don't think there will be another world war on the scale of the last two.
It's been said WWII was the last of the "industrial wars." Perhaps the next world war, great war, or whatever nomenclature we assign to it will be characterized by the use of biological or chemical weapons that leaves infrastructure of attacked nations relatively intact, rather than by conventional weapons that reduce cities to lunar landscapes.

When you say it wont be on the same scale, do you mean that in terms of industrial turnout, or in in terms or lives lost?

In addition to moving to an electronic battlefield, advances made in the field of biotechnology seem to present an opportunity for some deadly weapons that could rial that of atomic weaponry with respect to the death toll they can inflict upon populations.

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I think that if there is a Third World war and that humanity survives it, its most important consequence would be the installation of a World government.

WW1=League of Nations(failure)
WW2=UN(partial success)
WW3=World governments, peace is achieved.

Thats how I see it.
Now understand, I am not calling you a conspiracy theorist (because it's often used as a pejorative) - however, what you say is often cited by NWO conspiracy theorists. What information or reasoning, Labienus, have you used to arrive at the conclusion of peace being achieved through world governments, or of the formation of a world government itself? Without hindsight on our side, could this potential government best be best described as the United States of the World? What nations do you hypothesize will spearhead the formation of that government?
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It's been said WWII was the last of the "industrial wars." Perhaps the next world war, great war, or whatever nomenclature we assign to it will be characterized by the use of biological or chemical weapons that leaves infrastructure of attacked nations relatively intact, rather than by conventional weapons that reduce cities to lunar landscapes.

When you say it wont be on the same scale, do you mean that in terms of industrial turnout, or in in terms or lives lost?

In addition to moving to an electronic battlefield, advances made in the field of biotechnology seem to present an opportunity for some deadly weapons that could rial that of atomic weaponry with respect to the death toll they can inflict upon populations.



Now understand, I am not calling you a conspiracy theorist (because it's often used as a pejorative) - however, what you say is often cited by NWO conspiracy theorists. What information or reasoning, Labienus, have you used to arrive at the conclusion of peace being achieved through world governments, or of the formation of a world government itself? Without hindsight on our side, could this potential government best be best described as the United States of the World? What nations do you hypothesize will spearhead the formation of that government?
I have never read those NWO theories. My opinion mainly comes from reading Kant, which I have expanded a bit.

The government would be led by the victorious nation, which would probably be the strongest nation who would survive since we are hypothetically speaking about a nuclear war.
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It's been said WWII was the last of the "industrial wars." Perhaps the next world war, great war, or whatever nomenclature we assign to it will be characterized by the use of biological or chemical weapons that leaves infrastructure of attacked nations relatively intact, rather than by conventional weapons that reduce cities to lunar landscapes.

When you say it wont be on the same scale, do you mean that in terms of industrial turnout, or in in terms or lives lost?
I mean in terms of involvement. I don't honestly believe the same scale of countries will involve themselves in another war as they did in previous wars. This is because, as you say, if another war was to take place on a global scale - it would involve the use of biological and chemical weapons; and as far as I'm concerned.. there aren't that many countries that wish the world to end.
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OK just for fun heres a few scenarios

2012 India v Pakistan - This seems almost inevatable, unless we see some dramatic changes in Pakistan. End result Pakistan looses badly, and is forced to de-arm. Punjab becomes a seperate country to act as a buffer state between the rest of Pakistan and Kashmir.

2011 Sudanese Civil war

After southern independance, the south attempts to re-route the oil pipline through Kenya to avoid paying the north royalties. The North invades to recapture the oil fields, the south is backed by NATO and the North by China and Islamic fundies. The separtist regions in the West and East of the counrty take advantage of the situation and attempt to break away.

End result the Northern forces are driven back and Dafur is granted independance

2013 North and South Korea:

Kim is dying and in a delerious state orders the invasion of South Korea. His generals half heartadly agree and a few shells are lobbed over the border, North Korean troops land on an unpopulated island to the south of the DMZ, the North then declares victory and withdraws troops. Nothing much changes.

2014 India v Pakistan - This seems almost inevatable, unless we see some dramatic changes in Pakistan. End result Pakistan looses badly, and is forced to de-arm. Punjab becomes a seperate country to act as a buffer state between the rest of Pakistan and Kashmir.

2016 Mexican civil war

Mexican troops and police are driven out of the Northern states by the drug cartels, these states then declare independance from Mexico, only cocaine and maruiganna are now legal. Cross border drug trafficing becomes endemic and the US is forced to close its border. US and Mexican officials agree to invade the North to destroy the cartels and restore the North to Mexico proper.

2025

China v Russia

After attacks on Chinese workers in Russia, the Chinese claim the islands in the contested border river, to protect it citezens. Russia understabley claims them back after a few skirmishes along the border their is a major battle and Russian troops are forced to withdraw. Peace follows and China claims the disputed islands

China v India 2030

After the victory over Russia, China is now confedent enough to prove itself against its main economic rival India. Following a small border clash, events quickly spiral out of control, with India being backed by the West and China seeing a way to stamp its authority over SE Asia. No idea how that one will turn out it will be nasty though.
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I think that if there is a Third World war and that humanity survives it, its most important consequence would be the installation of a World government.

WW1=League of Nations(failure)
WW2=UN(partial success)
WW3=World governments, peace is achieved.

Thats how I see it.
Don't you mean:


WW1=League of Nations(failure)
WW2=UN(partial success)
WW3=Earth is rendered near uninhabitable, with some people escaping to colonize other planets
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