Historum - History Forums  

Go Back   Historum - History Forums > Themes in History > War and Military History
Register Forums Blogs Social Groups Mark Forums Read

War and Military History War and Military History Forum - Warfare, Tactics, and Military Technology over the centuries


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old January 31st, 2011, 01:16 AM   #1
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Nov 2009
From: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3,760
The myth of “The War without hate” in North Africa


"While Rommel insisted that no Waffen SS units be sent to North Africa, he was not able to stop the Gestapo from coming to Libya and Tunisia. While it is not as widely known, the slaughter of Jews also took place in North Africa. A month after Rommel arrived in Tobruk, SS-Standartenführer Walter Rauff arrived. His mission was the elimination of and persecution of Jews and partisans in North Africa and the Middle East (including the British Mandate of Palestine). He was also supposed to court Arab nationalists who were determined to drive the French and British from the area, Many Arabs looked upon the Germans as liberators and not the next occupier. In actuality, however, the German were after the rich oil fields and saw the Arabs as an ends to a means.
The main concentration camps were located near Jado, Tunisia. It is unknown how many Jews died there but it is believed that most probably died from typhoid. But make no mistake, if they had not died from disease, malnutrition and exhaustion, then other methods would have been used. Rauff had been instrumental in the development of mobile gas chambers before coming to Tunisia.
The prisoners in the concentration camps were used to dig trenches, build airports, lay minefields and other difficult and or dangerous jobs. It is difficult to believe that Rommel was not aware of the use of this forced labor. Besides Jews, European citizens, particularly British were also rounded up by the Gestapo, however these usually sent to camps in Europe.
The Gestapo also interrogated prisoners and courted spies among the local population. It is possible that Gestapo Spies in Cairo tipped off the failed raids on Tobruk, Jalo, and Benghazi. While Rommel tried to keep POWs out of the hands of the Gestapo, some high value POWs were undoubtedly turned over to them and most civilian spies would have been turned over. Members of SIG would have been of special interest to the Gestapo."
Edward is offline  
Remove Ads
Old January 31st, 2011, 01:25 AM   #2

Toltec's Avatar
Fiddling as Rome Burns
 
Joined: Apr 2008
From: Hyperborea
Posts: 7,075

Source...LRDG Long Range Desert Group, Other Elite Units
Toltec is offline  
Old January 31st, 2011, 01:36 AM   #3

Linschoten's Avatar
nonpareil
 
Joined: Aug 2010
From: Wessex
Posts: 7,841
Blog Entries: 11

Not really a myth as far as the miltary conflict was concerned (I have known many people who fought in the Britsih forces in North Africa, including my father). Of course any Nazi occupation would bring nasty things in its wake, and still nastier if victory had been achieved there.
Linschoten is offline  
Old January 31st, 2011, 01:40 AM   #4
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Nov 2009
From: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3,760

Quote:
Originally Posted by Toltec View Post
that ris right
Edward is offline  
Old January 31st, 2011, 01:47 AM   #5
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Nov 2009
From: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3,760

History_of_the_Jews_in_Libya History_of_the_Jews_in_Libya

Italian colonization and World War II

In 1911, Libya was colonized by Italy. By 1931, there were 21,000 Jews living in the country (4% of the total population of 550,000), mostly in Tripoli. The situation for the Jews was generally good. But, in the late 1930s, the Fascist Italian regime began passing anti-Semitic laws. As a result of these laws, Jews were fired from government jobs, some were dismissed from government schools, and their citizenship papers were stamped with the words "Jewish race." Despite this repression, 25% of the population of Tripoli was still Jewish in 1941 and 44 synagogues were maintained in the city. In 1942, German troops fighting the Allies in North Africa occupied the Jewish quarter of Benghazi, plundering shops and deporting more than 2,000 Jews across the desert. Sent to work in labor camps, more than one-fifth of this group of Jews perished . And Jews were the most in the city of Tripoli and Benghazi and there are some minorities in Al Bayda and Misurata.
Edward is offline  
Old January 31st, 2011, 02:01 AM   #6

jungleplanewreck's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jan 2011
From: England.
Posts: 2,203
Blog Entries: 5

How do you assume this is a myth? I was unaware that people ignored the Nazi's time in Africa.
jungleplanewreck is offline  
Old January 31st, 2011, 03:51 AM   #7

Frog33inUK's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Nov 2010
From: Ringmer, UK, but originally ma belle Gascogne.
Posts: 1,148

Actually, it was a myth before the war moved to North Africa.

It has been proved that Rommel's Panzer Division during May/June 1940 murdered many black and arab prisoners from French Colonial troops. Even if he may not have given the orders, he did not do anything to prevent it from happening.
Frog33inUK is offline  
Old February 1st, 2011, 01:03 AM   #8
Suspended indefinitely
 
Joined: Nov 2009
From: Queensland, Australia
Posts: 3,760

Quote:
Originally Posted by jungleplanewreck View Post
How do you assume this is a myth? I was unaware that people ignored the Nazi's time in Africa.
Just a few websites taking about “war without hate” in North Africa
http://www.armchairgeneral.com/pov-war-without-hate.htm
http://pasttense.nl/2005/10/23/the-war-without-hate/
[URL="

Amazon (Thumbnails)
Amazon (Thumbnails)

http://awarwithouthate.blogspot.com/2009/04/july-20th-1944-stauffenberg-had-bungled.html

http://www.colin-smith.info/pages/books/alamein.htm
Edward is offline  
Old February 1st, 2011, 03:47 AM   #9

jungleplanewreck's Avatar
Historian
 
Joined: Jan 2011
From: England.
Posts: 2,203
Blog Entries: 5

I knew about the book that Rommel wrote, I just didn't realise it was generally understood to all be correct/true. Interesting.
jungleplanewreck is offline  
Old February 1st, 2011, 03:57 AM   #10

Qymaen's Avatar
King of the Seas!
 
Joined: Nov 2010
From: Border of GA and AL
Posts: 7,889
Blog Entries: 3

If the Nazi's had taken over Egypt, do you think that Hitler would have had enough tact to not murder the Arabs and muslims?
Qymaen is offline  
Reply

  Historum > Themes in History > War and Military History

Tags
“the, africa, hate”, myth, north, war


Thread Tools
Display Modes


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
What if the Allies fought first in Europe Instead of North Africa riotbeard Speculative History 12 June 1st, 2010 04:46 AM
"Lost Worlds: The Roman Empire-Timgad, North Africa," RonPrice Ancient History 0 December 12th, 2008 01:15 AM
why did the french and italians try to take over the deserts of north africa JerseyPerson14 Middle Eastern and African History 47 December 4th, 2008 03:39 PM
What if North America looked like Africa? Commander American History 5 October 24th, 2006 02:38 PM

Copyright © 2006-2013 Historum. All rights reserved.