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Old February 3rd, 2011, 12:49 PM   #1

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Proposed: The use of atomic bombs in WWII was legitimate and needed.


I'm giving a talk on this next month and I'm hoping some of you will bring up objections to the proposal so I can see if I have my ducks in a row. So, here goes.

The atomic bombs, both of them, were needed to help end WWII for the following reasons.

1. Japan was in the grip of a military-led of ultra-nationalists who wanted to lead the country into the same gotterdammerungHitler led German to.

2. Both bombs were needed as one bomb would have been believed to be a "one off" that couldn't be repeated.

3. The end of the war needed to be hastened by all means available to end the loss of life on both sides.
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Well I'll bring up one ugly objection that might come up - Regardless of how legitimate the reasons, it was a war crime, which had the Nazis been responsible for, would be upheld as the example of callousness
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Well I'll bring up one ugly objection that might come up - Regardless of how legitimate the reasons, it was a war crime, which had the Nazis been responsible for, would be upheld as the example of callousness
Was it a war crime?
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Didn't you already give a talk like this recently?
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Sorry but I don't believe (without polemic vein) that the use of atomic bomb was needed and legitimate. The allies wanted solely to avoid a huge bloodless by the scheduled Operation "Downfall" and to launch a strong message to Soviet Union.
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Was it a war crime?
I'm not sure that it was, but many people are, I seem to remember the deliberate killing of civilians in order to cut down military casualties as the reason given.
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I'm sure all of those reasons would be of great comfort to the roughly quarter of a million people killed in the two bombings, to know that their deaths prevented a greater evil.

To paraphrase a well known phrase, one death is a tragedy, a quarter of a million is a statistic.
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One uses up all their possible arguments justifying the first bomb. There are no arguments left to justify the second bomb.
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I'm not sure that it was, but many people are, I seem to remember the deliberate killing of civilians in order to cut down military casualties as the reason given.
I'm not entierly sure either. Bombing civilians seemed to be pretty standard in WWII.
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Let's suppose it wasn't a bomb.

Let's suppose it was a chemical weapon or a biological weapon that achieved the same number of casualties.

Would that be acceptable?
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