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Old April 4th, 2011, 04:27 PM   #21
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Holland and Sweden?
As usual, all depends who you ask:

As any (former) colonial power, some compelling cases may be found on the Dutch, e.g.: http://www.indonesiamatters.com/2452/dutch-war-crimes/ .

I'm aware of some war criminal cases against some Swedish nationals and companies, like this one allAfrica.com: Sudan: Oil Consortium Behind War Crimes - Aid Agencies , I'm not aware of any case against Sweden proper as a nation.
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Holland and Sweden?
No I actually meant if anyone had the knowledge to think of a war crime with those nations so I could see that almost every nation committed war crimes.
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Old April 4th, 2011, 06:14 PM   #23
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Does every country actually got a war crime over history?

So lets pick this 10:

-England
-France
-Germany
-Holland
-Spain
-Italy
-Sweden
-China
-Japan
-United States

Does anyone knows that?
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No I actually meant if anyone had the knowledge to think of a war crime with those nations so I could see that almost every nation committed war crimes.
With the possible exception of Sweden (well, maybe some dubious actions of the 30 years' War), depending on who you ask
you may of course find some nice examples of potential war crimes on any of such nations.

(BTW, any reason for excluding Russia/USSR of that black list ?)
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I guess you didn't know that the Soviet Union was an Allied nation. The firebombing of Dresden has been and is condemned by many people, so are the Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, how Marines treated the Japanese, etc. The Allies commited many war crimes, but most of the times the soldiers were prosecuted/executed for what they did.

Admiral "Bull" Halsey said a famous quote:
"When this war is over, the Japanese language will be spoken only in hell"
That's supposed to be were not.

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This is such a strange thread.

So now those who fight wars have to fight them in a politically correct way? Yeah right!

A war isn't about being nice and talking your enemies into submission! It's about destroying them!
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Qymaen's post on the lack of prosecutions of American war crimes during WWII can, in part, be attributed to the attitude of senior officers in the field. When Gen. Bradley reported the events of Biscari to Patton, then Bradley's superior, Patton told him, as Patton noted in his diary:

I told Bradley that it was probably an exaggeration, but in any case to tell the Officer to certify that the dead men were snipers or had attempted to escape or something, as it would make a stink in the press and also make the civilians mad. Anyhow, they are dead, so nothing can be done about it.[1]

Bradley refused to comply with Patton's instructions. Command attitude can definitely contribute to the determinations of what is a war crime or not within their commands.

[1] via wiki...Atkinson, Rick (2007) The Day of Battle: The War in Sicily and Italy, 1943-1944 (The Liberation Trilogy). New York. Henry Holt and Co.. p.119.
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Old April 4th, 2011, 06:58 PM   #27
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This is such a strange thread.

So now those who fight wars have to fight them in a politically correct way? Yeah right!

A war isn't about being nice and talking your enemies into submission! It's about destroying them!

There are rules in both love and war HadleyH that is life. This is not about being politically correct. "The law of war is a body of law concerning acceptable justifications to engage in war (jus ad bellum) and the limits to acceptable wartime conduct (jus in bello").Laws of war
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Define "war crimes".
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Define "war crimes".
Breaking the [ame="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geneva_Conventions"]Geneva Conventions[/ame].

[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Geneva_Convention]First Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Geneva_Convention]Second Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Geneva_Convention]Third Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
[ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention]Fourth Geneva Convention - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]
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My humble 2 cents.

During wars all nations probably commit this "new concept" called war crimes, which is basically an unrealistic concept. It is all a matter of degree, if war crimes indicates innocent civilians and prisoners of war, etc,,, may be killed, then obviously in all wars this is unavoidable.
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It's all a matter of degree ... I want to know what nation in the world will come forward and say it hasn't done it. It's war, it happens .... people are not supposed to be goody goodies in wars. In wars you fight and don't concentrate in written laws about what you can do or not do.

Sad but unavoidable truth.
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