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Old April 4th, 2011, 07:36 PM   #41

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I think that a war crime has to coincide with the policy of the government. Of course all troops of warring nations have committed crimes and many of the commanding officers have looked the other way for whatever reason but nations that demonstrate a lack of respect for what can be considered the rules of war should be judged. I think that's were Imperial Japan with it's bushido code, the Nanking rapes and massacres, Bataan death march and Nazi Germany with it's racial policies, and both for their blatantly aggressive expansionist policy took them outside the limits of acceptable behavior. Besides that they lost.
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Yeah, yeah I understand all that, but the soldiers who are fighting a war have been conditioned to be aggressive, to destroy. It's not like there is switch in their minds that you can pull on and off ... this is good? this is bad?


Get robots if you don't like it. Human beings are not robots.
True. There is only so much officers can do before the enlisted get out of control. Also, when soldiers are gone for a long time and away from women, they can get....sexually aroused.
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Oh! So what you want now is a "clean" "beautiful" war?

Wake up and smell the coffee!


Wars are not pretty.Wars are not proper.
I don't think you really know what war is.

I served in Kosovo, I've seen things that you would probably shudder to look at. I know what war is.

What I am saying is that there are certain things that are considered "proper" conduct. Mutilating a corpse is improper, and is unnecessary. Raping someone is unnecessary.

I'm not talking about making war "beautiful" or "clean". I'm talking about "You just don't do that messed up kind of ****."

You need to stop thinking in extremes.

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Well actually it still is. There is that adrenaline rush and when you see your buddies die sometimes revenge is taken out against the corpses of the enemies. Also sending back "souvenirs" is/was a common practice.
Looting their possessions, such as a bullet, or some kind of coinage, those are acceptable souvenirs. Chopping off someone's fingers or ears is not. There is no amount of adrenaline that makes you think that mutilating someone's corpse is justifiable. Adrenaline doesn't work that way. Adrenaline rushes happen when your life is threatened. Once the threat is gone, it's no longer adrenaline. It's a deliberate attempt at mutilating a corpse.
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I served in Kosovo, I've seen things that you would probably shudder to look at. I know what war is.

You served in Kosovo? did you kill your enemy? or were you there only as a paramedic?
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Yeah, yeah I understand all that, but the soldiers who are fighting a war have been conditioned to be aggressive, to destroy. It's not like there is switch in their minds that you can pull on and off ... this is good? this is bad?


Get robots if you don't like it. Human beings are not robots.
Conditioned to fight a battle and to kill, absolutely. Those that cannot execute their duties within the conventions prescribed by law will be discharged if found out prior to battle and if after battle should they commit any of the proscribed acts, which include: Torture, Cruel or inhuman treatment, Performing biological experiments, Murder, Mutilation or maiming, Intentionally causing serious bodily injury, Rape, Sexual assault or abuse or Taking hostages will be prosecuted for war crimes and punished as such.

I know that human beings are not like robots, people have limits, war stresses those limits. Sometimes the same man a person would trust with their newborn may be the same person who would commit any of the aforementioned enumerated acts. To some being a soldier is a calling, to others it is a job, nevertheless, these soldiers are trained to handle combat situations and are held to a standard that requires they act as professionals and within the limits of the law during the course of their duties.
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True. There is only so much officers can do before the enlisted get out of control. Also, when soldiers are gone for a long time and away from women, they can get....sexually aroused.
No No and NO......
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You served in Kosovo? did you kill your enemy? or were you there only as a paramedic?
What does it matter? It's not something I enjoy talking about it. But if you must know, I was there as a peacekeeper.
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I know that human beings are not like robots, people have limits, war stresses those limits. Sometimes the same man a person would trust with their newborn may be the same person who would commit any of the aforementioned enumerated acts. To some being a soldier is a calling, to others it is a job, nevertheless, these soldiers are trained to handle combat situations and are held to a standard that requires they act as professionals and within the limits of the law during the course of their duties.

Carlisle Blues, we are not understanding each other, in a war situation when your life is at risk .... it's not like in a corporate office block ... to be a professional in an office city building is easy ... in a war scenario it is a different thing altogether... is that so hard to understand? omg!!!
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Carlisle Blues, we are not understanding each other, in a war situation when your life is at risk .... it's not like in a corporate office block ... to be a professional in an office city building is easy ... in a war scenario it is a different thing altogether... is that so hard to understand? omg!!!
LOL you always bring a smile to my face HadleyH. We understand each other completely. I tell you what I am going to restate my position without the word "professional".

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Conditioned to fight a battle and to kill, absolutely. Those that cannot execute their duties within the conventions prescribed by law will be discharged if found out prior to battle and if after battle should they commit any of the proscribed acts, which include: Torture, Cruel or inhuman treatment, Performing biological experiments, Murder, Mutilation or maiming, Intentionally causing serious bodily injury, Rape, Sexual assault or abuse or Taking hostages will be prosecuted for war crimes and punished as such.

I know that human beings are not like robots, people have limits, war stresses those limits. Sometimes the same man a person would trust with their newborn may be the same person who would commit any of the aforementioned enumerated acts. To some being a soldier is a calling, to others it is a job, nevertheless, these soldiers are trained to handle combat situations and are held to a standard that requires they act ...within the limits of the law during the course of their duties.
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