Did any of the Great Conquerors face any worthy opposition? - Page 3 - Historum

**Qymaen** · April 18th, 2011, 09:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-Din

Let me attempt to rephrase my point: when did a general of Caesar's caliber ever face one of Alexander's, for example? Caesar faced Pompey and Vercingetorix - the former was an average general at best, the latter didn't last long enough for us to judge.

Alexander's prime enemies, Darius and Bessus - again, at best they were average and even to say that is perhaps pretty generous.

Genghis Khan invaded Khwarezm only to have its emperor flee before him! Obviously not a clash of the titans there.

When did two generals, both with established reputations as "greats" in history, ever clash?

Nice to see you've decided that Napoleon was the most worthy and faced enemies of considerable difficulty.

blacksmit049 · April 18th, 2011, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-Din

When did two generals, both with established reputations as "greats" in history, ever clash?

That situation is very rare. As given by our historumites, and like I said, only those who survive a great instance of emergency can only given the title "the great". If somehow the talent of command is the basis, you can easily verify that every nation has a different culture. Some might have the advantage over the others.

For reputations, I think the battle of Kadesh could qualify that both two leaders have reputations as warlords.

**plutoboyz** · April 18th, 2011, 09:36 AM

Ghengis-well, the Song dynasty have one of the most advanced warfare technology.

Ashoka-unifying India aren't as easy as you think.

Rajendra Chola I-he subdue Sriwijaya, major power in southeast asia. thats good enough.

Sargon of Akkad-What is greater than becoming the first emperor in history?

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Originally Posted by Salah ad-Din

Alexander's prime enemies, Darius and Bessus - again, at best they were average and even to say that is perhaps pretty generous.

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Originally Posted by Nemowork

Alexander vs Darius

Darius dead at 486 BC while Alexander born in 356 BC.

blacksmit049 · April 18th, 2011, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by plutoboyz

Darius dead at 486 BC while Alexander born in 356 BC.

I think they meant Darius III.

Inflames · April 18th, 2011, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Nemowork

Napoleon vs Wellington

Alexander vs Darius

Caesar vs Vercingetorix and Pompey

Sounds like a decent match up for celebrity death match

Napoleon has many opponents here, you could easily sub in a Prussian general, or Russian general or Turkish general even. Where Ceaser has a few warlords against him ( not counting his Roman opponents ). Alexander's biggest opposition is harder to find, the Persians got stomped after a few major conflicts and he rolled like a wave into India. But I guess it could be Alexander vs the Indian War Elephant and distance from home.

**Chookie** · April 18th, 2011, 10:29 AM

Nobody mentioned Suvorov?

**jeroenrottgering** · April 18th, 2011, 01:09 PM

In my opinion their are 5 good commanders and they all had at least of good advisery except one.

Napoleon Bonaparte - Arche Duke Charles
Julius Caesar - Pompei
Alexander the Great - none

I dont see why wellington is a worthy advisary? His only victory against Napoleon was at Waterloo and even their he would have lost without the help of the Prussians. Arche Duke Charles on the other hand actually beated Napoleon ones at Aspern Essling. At that time Napoleon still had his veteran soldiers in the pre-Russian Campaign period. Wellington faced an army that were mainly only recruits.

Pompei was a terrific General he conquered lots of lands for the glory of Rome and even defeated Julius Caesar in one battle.

And well Alexander had not really any worthy advisaries. That doesnt say he wasn't a great commander because he was, but it means we never know if he was the best. I heard the name Darius III well he was a terrible General who knew almost nothing about warfare.

**Alcibiades** · April 18th, 2011, 01:44 PM

As far as Alexander is concerned,I think it is fairly obvious which individual was his greatest adversary:Spitamenes.

Read a little about the guy.He's basically a more ferocius,more savage and more cunning(fox-like)version of Vercingetorix.
Alcibiades

Poly · April 23rd, 2011, 08:05 AM

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Napoleon had plenty of worthy adversaries like Prussia, the Austrian Empire, Russia, and Great Britain. This is all characterized by the fact that he lost the wars and the throne.

Napoleon never actually fought the British until Waterloo and he was absent for much of the day through sickness.

And it wasn't really a British army - the British were a minority and just held out until the Prussians arrived.

Wellington's army consisted of 67,000. Of these, 25,000 were British, with another 6,000 from the King's German Legion. There were 17,000 Dutch and Belgian troops, 11,000 from Hanover, 6,000 from Brunswick, and 3,000 from Nassau.

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HeirofAlexander · April 23rd, 2011, 10:08 AM

Attilla the Hun faced great opposition.

And Alexander did not face a nobody. Darius was a good commander with good troops, Alexander just out generaled him.

If anyone wants to continue this discussion, please contact Cocroach the Great at the twcenter.com forums, he has as far as I know great knowledge about the Aechamenid Empire, and the battles between Alexander and Darius.