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Old June 2nd, 2011, 12:56 PM   #41

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The Homo Neanderthalensis - Homo Sapiens war.
I wouldn't call that a "war" since there was relationships going on among the two camps, and as a result we all have at least 5% Neanderthal DNA (except for people living in Africa). IIRC, Homo Sapiens also had relationships with another human group known as the Denisovan. As a result, People of East Asia and the polynesian islands has as much as 10% of Denisovan DNA among them. Perhaps, it can be said that Homo Sapiens did anything that resembles them.

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There's a quote: "Generals prepare to fight the last war." Appropriate, yes?
Yes, a very good quote. I love it. Perhaps, a quote thread should be started.
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Old June 2nd, 2011, 01:57 PM   #42

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I wouldn't call that a "war" since there was relationships going on among the two camps, and as a result we all have at least 5% Neanderthal DNA (except for people living in Africa). IIRC, Homo Sapiens also had relationships with another human group known as the Denisovan. As a result, People of East Asia and the polynesian islands has as much as 10% of Denisovan DNA among them. Perhaps, it can be said that Homo Sapiens did anything that resembles them.
I'm sure there have been relationships between the two sides in wars before.
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Besides which war is an intentional, planned activity (at least on the side of the aggressor). There's no evidence to support a sustained transcontinental campaign of aggression by homo sapiens against the neanderthals. Apart from some evidence of cross breeding I beleive there are also archiologists who postulate a degree of trade/cultural exhange based on changes in artifacts found in later neanderthal sites.

I thought the current hypothesis was that we outcompeted the neanderthals for scarce resources during a period of servere climatic change. You can model what happens to the population levels of two species competing for the same resources over several thousand years in cases where one species is only a percentage point or two more "efficient" at extracting calories than the other. The result is a slow decline in total numbers and the inevitable extinction for the less competative species - unless some other factor intervenes to prevent it.
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I thought the current hypothesis was that we outcompeted the neanderthals for scarce resources during a period of servere climatic change.
I agree, although cetainly some violence occured it could not be considered organized war.

The single most important war was the American Revolution. Notwithstanding the earlier South American revolutions, the American Revolution was the rise of capital over the Kings and Queens of Europe, as well as (more importantly) the combining of different language groups into the first (and only) huge capitalist bloc. This process continued until the first World War, when history shows us that almost all the important monarchies had fallen or become disenfranchised by 1918. This process solidified and was made manifest during the Second World War when the US became, for a short time, the only nuclear superpower and the world's dominant economy. Later with the collapse of the Soviets the US lay claim to being both sole economic and military superpower. Barring catastrophie, this will continue until the rise of the China bloc sometime before the middle of the century.
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Completely agree with rehab. Most surviving monarchies of Europe were hollow shells after WWI. The AR is certainly notable for Capital overcoming Monarchy.
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Old June 3rd, 2011, 05:07 AM   #46

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The most important war in history is the one most recent.
I have to concur. Dammit!!! I'm agreeing with a Kiwi!
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Well the "Arab Spring" (started by non-arabs) is certainly an important series of wars for that region and might lead to them adopting more modern secular societies and regaining their long lost scientific heritage. This will not happen quickly though and some Muslim aristocracies will not go quietly if at all. I think the new (secular) will win out over the old (religion) because the old can only repeat itself. Only the new can give the Arabs what they desire and reduce their oil induced anxiety. With the rise of China (and later Africa) and the freeing of the Arabs from centuries of restraints, I believe that the world will look quite different in the second half of this century.
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I read this thread with interest, but twice went back to the original post to check to see if the question was "which world war was the most important?" Since it does not specify that, I am perplexed as to why much of the discussion has been on whether WWI or WWII was most important. Since the thread is about any war, discussion of the two world wars is shortsighted, in my opinion. In fact, my choice has not even been mentioned (that I noticed). I would argue the most important war in history is the Persian Wars. Since Western Civilization was built on Greco-Roman Civilization and there would have been no Roman Empire as we know it if Greece had lost, Europe and the Americas would look very different today (and not for the better). The Battle of Salamis was the most important battle in history.

P.S. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but to answer this thread with "the latest war" is ridiculous.
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Probably the Napoleonic Wars. They gave us a new way to defend the balace of power, which still remians with us to this day.
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I read this thread with interest, but twice went back to the original post to check to see if the question was "which world war was the most important?" Since it does not specify that, I am perplexed as to why much of the discussion has been on whether WWI or WWII was most important. Since the thread is about any war, discussion of the two world wars is shortsighted, in my opinion. In fact, my choice has not even been mentioned (that I noticed). I would argue the most important war in history is the Persian Wars. Since Western Civilization was built on Greco-Roman Civilization and there would have been no Roman Empire as we know it if Greece had lost, Europe and the Americas would look very different today (and not for the better). The Battle of Salamis was the most important battle in history.

P.S. Everyone is welcome to their own opinion, but to answer this thread with "the latest war" is ridiculous.
Would disagree with you there mate because of the distance of time, going back thousands of years makes it very difficult to decide what happened next if that war had not occurred or played out differently, and especially the distribution of power in the modern world.

WWI shaped the modern world, WWII was caused by WWI everything from culture to military power was changed, it was only 100 years ago.

Other wars are important of course, 7 years war is a good one it caused the French to spend heavily on fleet construction that left the French crown with severe money problems that was one of the causes of the revolution, and it also depends on the level that you look at the question, if you are a 'Grunt' or a 'Tommy' then yes whoever is shooting at you at this moment in time is important even if it seems irelevent in the great scheme of things.

So I am going to stick with WWI was also going to say it was uniquely horrific but not sure if that was true but might be.
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