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July 17th, 2011, 04:28 PM
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#1 | Baltimorean ¤ Blog of the Year ¤

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The ancient Romans apparently used a small crossbow for hunting, and by the 4th Century CE may have also adopted it as a light infantry weapon. Likewise, there are apparently Pictish stones dating to the 3rd-5th Centuries that depict crossbows being utilized.
I am under the impression that the crossbow was invented in China. Did this weapon spread to the West via China in the first few centuries CE, or did the Romans and/or Celts invent it independently?
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July 17th, 2011, 10:51 PM
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#2 | Suspended indefinitely
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Ancient Greeks were already using crossbow since 5th ct. and as much as I know it was their invention. Romans might get it from them.
Gastraphetes:
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlxU6FUlNZU"]‪The Greek Gastraphetes‬‏ - YouTube[/ame] | |
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July 18th, 2011, 10:26 AM
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#3 | Scholar
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Great vid!
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July 18th, 2011, 10:57 AM
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#4 | Misanthropologist
Joined: Aug 2010 From: Wales Posts: 10,445 |
It is of course possible that the cross bow was invented in two different geographic locations entirely seperately, and that one did not neccessarily stem from one to the other.
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May 15th, 2012, 01:43 PM
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*Bump*
Would like to see more Historumites' opinions on this subject.
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May 16th, 2012, 01:26 PM
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#6 | Archivist
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Pictish crossbows in the 3rd-5th Century?!?!? Do you have a link or pics I'd love to see that. As far as the Roman crossbow is concerned, it appears to be an indigenous design. As far as I know there's no evidence for the spread of the crossbow from the Han to any of the people living between them and Rome. Also, if I remember correctly, Roman and Han crossbows were designed very differently. HowStuffWorks "How Crossbows Work"
The first page of this article has a diagram illustrating the difference between the Han and Roman trigger mechanisms.
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May 16th, 2012, 05:45 PM
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#7 | Historian
Joined: Mar 2011 From: Brazil Posts: 4,911 |
The Romans presumably had the manuballista, which would have been the most powerful handheld crossbow ever as it was not based on tension but on torsion:
this reconstruction has a 100% iron frame:
while this has a wooden frame reinforced with iron:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kmVmDKiZHeE]Manuballista: Der LWL veranstaltete im LWL-Römermuseums in Haltern, die Römertage 2010 - YouTube[/ame]
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Last edited by Guaporense; May 16th, 2012 at 05:51 PM.
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April 16th, 2017, 06:06 AM
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#8 | Scholar
Joined: May 2016 From: Vatican occupied America Posts: 811 |
The invention of the crossbow likely has happened in most cultures, though in most it would of been an impractical curiosity. To make a bow one needs to put the bow on a tillering board to balance the limbs - essentially it looks like a crossbow on it one just needs to come up with some sort of trigger. The Chinese invented the best trigger, but it did not spread to Europe until the real Middle Ages.
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Last edited by Disciple of Sophia; April 16th, 2017 at 06:10 AM.
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April 16th, 2017, 10:21 PM
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#9 | Lecturer
Joined: Jan 2016 From: United States, MO Posts: 461 |
I am more focused on the China side of things, but what I have read all suggests that the crossbow was independently invented in greece and china. don't know about other places.
Also, I think it is fairly safe to say, that the crossbow played a much bigger role in chinese warfare than it did in greco-roman which was pedominantly about infantry formations with lots of shields.
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April 16th, 2017, 11:07 PM
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#10 | Knight-errant
Joined: Oct 2011 From: Lago Maggiore, Italy Posts: 21,573 | Quote:
Originally Posted by The Keen Edge I am more focused on the China side of things, but what I have read all suggests that the crossbow was independently invented in greece and china. don't know about other places.
Also, I think it is fairly safe to say, that the crossbow played a much bigger role in chinese warfare than it did in greco-roman which was pedominantly about infantry formations with lots of shields. | Romans preferred bigger versions which they used as real artillery. Among them there was also a kind of big sniper crossbow, a ballista they called scorpio.
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