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Old September 10th, 2011, 08:10 AM   #31

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^^ reading a Swiss's account of battle-cries is weird.... esp if they are from Geneva
Well, there you go then
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Old September 10th, 2011, 08:16 AM   #32

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Thanks for the welcome; I live in Geneva but I'm not Swiss

Isn't what you assign to Russian "mindlessness" a general human reaction to the intoxication of war?

The military discipline does hold units together, to a point. After a certain point, it's just you, your fear and the enemy.

The elite units do behave differently in the field. But a general soldier would scream the cool battle cries only so much.
oh i wasn't generalizing that only russians suffer from battle stress i was just using that as an example. how people react to combat depends on their level of training and how drilled they are.
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Old September 10th, 2011, 08:25 AM   #33

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oh i wasn't generalizing that only russians suffer from battle stress i was just using that as an example. how people react to combat depends on their level of training and how drilled they are.
Absolutely.
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So "Hurrah" is so badass because basically, it's just a scream of scared, excited humans in the heat of a battle - "aaaa, ************", etc.

In the little military experience I got in Russia and Cambodia, we just screamed, mindlessly.
This is not entirely true, even when i was a soldier, and during different training courses often we had to shoult Hurrah, and i must say that the expeirance is magnificant when you hear the roar all around you, your adrenaline goes skyhigh, and it have a positive motivation.
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This is not entirely true, even when i was a soldier, and during different training courses often we had to shoult Hurrah, and i must say that the expeirance is magnificant when you hear the roar all around you, your adrenaline goes skyhigh, and it have a positive motivation.
Yes, for training courses and the roar - the experience is unforgettable

But as I recall, when the real aggression starts, you just scream and curse.

My point was that the "roar" that comes from an attacking army rarely consists of some cool or badass motivational phrases that we see in the books and movies. It's just a roar that comes from inside you.

"Na nozh" can be an exception, because it's a brief call to action.

That's why "Hurrah" is such a great war cry; you basically open your mouth and yell your heart out.
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actually “ura” i still officially part of charge training in yug/serbian army...

if mine memory is not too rusty things go this way:
around 100m from enemy line u put bayonet on rifle then continue closing in half bent position up to 50m(if is it possible) then yell uraaaa and charge last 50m


effect is pretty positive because on 50m sound from let as say 1000 voices can overcome fire of guns and break morale in enemy front line, off course charge of this type was probably never used after ww2 and books with this “charge manual” are at last from 1950's, but they was still in use even after year 2000...which just show how bad if officer cadre in some armies ....

battle cry like 'napred'(forward) or 'za mnom'(fallow me) are pretty much movie stuff and i m sure they not used in real battle but 'ura' was used many times in ww2 by partizans in night battles (early morning) when they succsed to get close to enemy before detection, enemy soldiers weakup with 'URAAA' sound so loud and so close usually start to run away from it not to face it....
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actually “ura” i still officially part of charge training in yug/serbian army...

if mine memory is not too rusty things go this way:
around 100m from enemy line u put bayonet on rifle then continue closing in half bent position up to 50m(if is it possible) then yell uraaaa and charge last 50m


effect is pretty positive because on 50m sound from let as say 1000 voices can overcome fire of guns and break morale in enemy front line, off course charge of this type was probably never used after ww2 and books with this “charge manual” are at last from 1950's, but they was still in use even after year 2000...which just show how bad if officer cadre in some armies ....

battle cry like 'napred'(forward) or 'za mnom'(fallow me) are pretty much movie stuff and i m sure they not used in real battle but 'ura' was used many times in ww2 by partizans in night battles (early morning) when they succsed to get close to enemy before detection, enemy soldiers weakup with 'URAAA' sound so loud and so close usually start to run away from it not to face it....
i can only really imagine the yell being used during a charge, using it in any other capacity just doesn't seen right
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i can only really imagine the yell being used during a charge, using it in any other capacity just doesn't seen right
Here we use "Ura" for cheering also. Like "WOohoooooo!"

Urtel, do you know anything about the history of "Ura!" in Serbia?
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Urtel, do you know anything about the history of "Ura!" in Serbia?
it must come with partizans and i guess they use(learn) it in Spain first....
but ura is practiclly just yelling so it can be any war cry from ancient time...
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Old September 13th, 2011, 02:00 AM   #40

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My favourite comes from a 1950's British comedy in which Lionel Jeffries plays a Scot. He's obliged to give out with a blood curdling battle cry----- Now Lionel was English not Scots,and spoke no Gaelic. He asked a Scottish member of the film crew to give him a suitable battle cry--------

Thus as Lionel launches his charge,he screams at the top of his lungs "POC MA HON!" In Irish Gaelic it's "Pog mo thoin" (I think). I understand it brought the house down in Glasgow.
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