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Old October 21st, 2011, 02:25 AM   #21

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The battle of Kursk was pretty impressive, judging by the numbers of men,planes and tanks involved on both sides.
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The battle of Kursk was pretty impressive, judging by the numbers of men,planes and tanks involved on both sides.
Especially tanks; the largest clash ever by a long shot (like 6000 to 8000 both sides together depending on the source).
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if you take a look at the numbers of the soviets(almost 2million soldiers and 8000 between tanks and self propelled artillery) and the casualties they were able to sustain you'll get why they were unstoppable
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Stalingrad for true grit, but the lifting of the Siege of Vienna for pure romance, a huge empire in retreat after one day of battle. The largest cavalry charge in history, led by the famed Winged Hussars ~ who were up against the "invincible" Janissaries.

After mining the walls repeatedly for weeks and battling all day, the Ottoman's still had not breached the city walls. The Grand Vizier had hoped that they would take Vienna intact before the arrival of the King. They had mined the city's outer walls and even blown sections of it open. The city's defenders were now preparing to fight within the inner walls. However fires signalled that the Holy League had arrived and it was the Janissaries who where still outside the city walls.

Time was up. Finally at 5 o'clock in the afternoon the outnumbered King of Poland, who had watched the battle all day from the hills above Vienna, mounted his horse and led the greatest cavalry charge in history. Leading the Holy League, with 3000 Winged Hussars, Jan Sobieski's heavy horse crashes into the wall of attackers and brakes their spirit by driving through their lines and then towards their camp, while Vienna's entire cavalry contingent, trapped within their own walls for two month, flings open their city gates and charges into the breaking Ottomans.

Within the hour the Ottomans are split and in full retreat to the South and East, leaving their huge camp with provisions for 150,000 men. The armies of the Sultan and Islam in general will never be the same again. Islam's expansion into Europe is over.

Upon his return to Belgrade, the greedy and villainous Grand Visier is despatched in the regulation manner, silk cord around the neck, pulled tightly by two Janissaries on each side.

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if you take a look at the numbers of the soviets(almost 2million soldiers and 8000 between tanks and self propelled artillery) and the casualties they were able to sustain you'll get why they were unstoppable
Well, please remember that in spite of such numbers at the summerr of 1943 in Kursk it was the German army which was being finally stopped once and for all; the Soviet "unstoppable advance" was barely going to begin.
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Oh gosh it seeems all your posts are typos, because what sensible person could choose for anything other then the battle of Verdun? Verdun must have been THE place on earth that resembles hell the most. Imagine hearing your friends screaming out in no mMs land while you can't do anything to help him, you eat/sleep/fight/die next to the dead, you can die any moment and there is NOTHING you van do about it
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Verdun was pretty impressive for numbers involved and casualties, about 4 at minute,day and night.
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if you take a look at the numbers of the soviets(almost 2million soldiers and 8000 between tanks and self propelled artillery) and the casualties they were able to sustain you'll get why they were unstoppable
Again, I'm not objecting your numbers.

My point is just about checking the chronology of the advance of each side.

The unstoppable Soviet advance that was going to end at Berlin almost two years later actually began after this battle.

The previous 24 months plus of war have been basically two great German offensives, long stalemate periods and a couple of impressive but limited Soviet counteroffensives.
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I was going to say another battle but Bartieboy bringing up Verdun made me realize there is no more epicly horrific battle with everything on the line
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When this topic comes up, it's always the same answer; Waterloo. Very rarely do two of the greatest commanders of their time come up against each other and (in battle at least) they were an excellent foil for each other. The battle swung both ways at various times during the day and both sides made some excellent tactical decisions as well as some poor ones, meaning that you never quite knew which way it would turn. Add to that the drama over whether it would be Blucher or Grouchy who would turn up at the 11th hour to swing the battle one way or the other and you are left with the 'perfect' battle.

Plus it can be argued that the result of the battle was crucial for how European history would be determined and the fact that there were so many men crammed into such a small area and that early 19th century warfare was particularly bloody due to the combination of long and short range weaponry and elite cavalry units, meaning that nowhere on the battlefield could you feel safe.
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