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Old July 8th, 2006, 01:38 PM   #1

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When did WWII start?


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Did WWII start on September 1, 1939 when Germany invaded Poland or on 18 September 1931 when Japan occupied Mukden?
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Old July 8th, 2006, 01:44 PM   #2

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The invasion of Poland by Germany is widely accepted as the start of World War II on either September 1st of 3rd 1939. When we think of WWII, we think of Europe first and then the Pacific. I'm not sure about why of when Japan invaded China, so I'm sticking with the invasion of Poland as the start.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 05:10 PM   #3

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It depends on the definition on a "world," war.

By certain definitions you could say that it didn't really become a global conflict until the United States entered the war in 1941. I'm not trying to attach any type of "nothing is important till the US is involved," type definition to this, but with the US involved, every continent besides Antartica was involved...thus, on the largest scale, it was a world issue with every superpower at the time involved.
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Old July 8th, 2006, 07:15 PM   #4

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It's considered that WWII started in Europe with the invasion of Poland. Even though it was not at the time it is what began the horrid thing. If Hitler had left well enough alone, I mean Chamberland GAVE him what he wanted and he still wasn't satisfied, there would have been no war to begin with.
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Old July 9th, 2006, 04:34 AM   #5

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June 28th 1919, the time between then and 1st September 1939 was just preparation and repositioning.
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Old July 10th, 2006, 07:44 PM   #6

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One could easily argue that there was only one world war in the 20th century with a 20 year interval in which the major combatants rearmed, grew another generation and went right back at it. The men who fought WWI were the men who led their children into combat in WWII. Same war, just the second round.

So, if you are asking when the second round started, I would contend the day Germany began to rearm for round two.....around 1936.
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Interesting theory, I had pondered over the same thing myself. The countries involved were virtually the same, and went the same way with Germany trying to rule everything.
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Old July 10th, 2006, 11:42 PM   #8

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Re: When did WWII start?


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What do you think:

Did WWII start on September 1, 1939 when Germany invaded Poland or on 18 September 1931 when Japan occupied Mukden?
Officialy started on September 1, 1939, but many signs before led to the conclusion that a World war was in his birth, like the anexation of Austria and great part of Czechoslovakia from Germans plus the pathetic politic that the leaders of the rest world followed.
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8) Yes offically WWII started in September of 1939 but I spirit of WWII started at the Paris peace talks of WWI. Woodrow Wilson laid out his plan of Fourteen Points everyone refused to notify them, except for the League of Nations. In his Fourteen Points he added that we should redraw the map so the Germans were unified with Germans, because everyone was scattered everywhere. The council refused. Wilson stated that certain things should come to order to ensure Germany's punishment but not make them bitter. All of the council ignored this, Woodrow Wilson said, "If you do not do these things, then another global conflict will occur". After the peace talks, Europe was in a depression so it was only natural they would turn to Adolf Hitler to bring back prosperity. If the council would have listened to Wilson then perhaps WWII (at least on the European front) could have been avoided.
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8) Yes offically WWII started in September of 1939 but I spirit of WWII started at the Paris peace talks of WWI. Woodrow Wilson laid out his plan of Fourteen Points everyone refused to notify them, except for the League of Nations. In his Fourteen Points he added that we should redraw the map so the Germans were unified with Germans, because everyone was scattered everywhere. The council refused. Wilson stated that certain things should come to order to ensure Germany's punishment but not make them bitter. All of the council ignored this, Woodrow Wilson said, "If you do not do these things, then another global conflict will occur". After the peace talks, Europe was in a depression so it was only natural they would turn to Adolf Hitler to bring back prosperity. If the council would have listened to Wilson then perhaps WWII (at least on the European front) could have been avoided.
Very valid observations but in my opinion, and note the word "opinion", the worst effect of the Paris Treaty was to leave Germany in a desperate political and economic position which made them susceptible to whatever idiot came along. And sure enough, one came along. If things were working better, if people were prospering, their republic might have worked and they would not have fallen for Hitler's rantings. The era of violence in Germany during the 20's and early 30's, the riots and killing in the streets of Berlin, could have been avoided and extremist like the communists and fascists would not have been able to suduce the people.

I am not comparing Reagan to Hitler, but he made inroads into American politics by telling us that America was wonderful and we should regain our leading position in the world. Jingoism works!

So, I agree that the Treaty was a bad idea but mostly because it left Germany desperate and easy prey for Hitler and his nonesense. By the time Germans descovered what they had given in to...it was too late.

So, it was Hitler, hell bent on revenge and the economic and political instability of Germany that made WWII inevitable.
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