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Old November 10th, 2012, 06:11 PM   #291
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I recommend Brassey's Naval Annual (1915) has construction costs for most naval ships 1880-1915 more less. (Battleships to destroyers gunboats and subs all navies)

Battleships approx $1mill to $2mill pounds


Brassey's Naval Annual : Brassey, T. A. (Thomas Allnutt), Earl, 1863-1919 : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive
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Old November 10th, 2012, 07:52 PM   #292
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James Cook and Horatio Nelson: two greatest naval commanders to ever live in my opinion.

Right now I'm reading a book on the entire history of the British Royal Navy, good book. The sad thing (as it is with most books) is that I already know about 60% of the facts comprised in it.
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James Cook and Horatio Nelson: two greatest naval commanders to ever live in my opinion.

Right now I'm reading a book on the entire history of the British Royal Navy, good book. The sad thing (as it is with most books) is that I already know about 60% of the facts comprised in it.
What's the name of the book?
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Old November 10th, 2012, 08:36 PM   #294

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James Cook and Horatio Nelson: two greatest naval commanders to ever live in my opinion.

Right now I'm reading a book on the entire history of the British Royal Navy, good book. The sad thing (as it is with most books) is that I already know about 60% of the facts comprised in it.

How does Cook compare to Nelson?

One commanded a small exploration vessel the other fought fleet actions and influenced an entire generation and perhaps beyond.
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Does anyone have an idea of the costs of building and running battleships from the various eras? I was thinking mainly of the Napoleonic era 100 gun ships of the line vs. HMS Warrior vs. pre-dreadnought battleships to fast battleships of WW1.

What I'm interested in to find out how much the costs escalated. A similar question is if the running the RN's fleet during the Napoelonic wars was more expensive (relative to Britain's GDP) than the navy of 1914-18? How does this compare to the rise in naval costs for similar sized/purposed naval vessels we experience today? (An increase of approx. 2-3 pct above inflation).

HMS Victory 104 gun 1st Rate (1765) 63,176 3/- 6d

HMS Isis 50 gun 4th rate (1776) 19,303.8/.9d + fitting out 4334.19/.6d

HMS Warrior and HMS Black Prince (1860-1861)-- 357,291

HMS Defence HMS Resistance, HMS Hector and HMS Valiant (Frigates)--237,291,(1859-1861).

HMS Dreadnaught (1906)
1,785,683.

HMS Hood ( 1918) 6,025,000

HMS Ark Royal (91) ( 1938) 3,000,000

HMS Ark Royal (R07) 1981 320,000,000

HMS Trafalagar (S107) 1983 200,000,000

Future QE class Carriers 7,095,000,000 and rising.

Type 45 Destroyer 4,095,000,000 and rising
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How does Cook compare to Nelson?

One commanded a small exploration vessel the other fought fleet actions and influenced an entire generation and perhaps beyond.
Nelson was a much loved commander and a great tactician who was able to contain and defeat Napoleons fleet. A worthwhile endeavour to be sure. Cook however, was a meticulous cartographer whose efforts in the St Lawrence resulted in the British victory at Quebec, with all the strategic implications that entailed, and his voyages of discovery added more to the map of the world than any other individual. Also, a small but significant thing, Cook introduced the three watch system to the RN. A significant improvement in the condtions of the common seamen.

Cook was a seaman, Nelson was not.
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To Rule The Waves by Arthur Herman.
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How does Cook compare to Nelson?

One commanded a small exploration vessel the other fought fleet actions and influenced an entire generation and perhaps beyond.
Both were incredible leaders of men, with brilliant new innovations to their respective branch of the navy.
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Nelson was a much loved commander and a great tactician who was able to contain and defeat Napoleons fleet. A worthwhile endeavour to be sure. Cook however, was a meticulous cartographer whose efforts in the St Lawrence resulted in the British victory at Quebec, with all the strategic implications that entailed, and his voyages of discovery added more to the map of the world than any other individual. Also, a small but significant thing, Cook introduced the three watch system to the RN. A significant improvement in the condtions of the common seamen.

Cook was a seaman, Nelson was not.
Pour l'amour de Dieu! I was going to write that! Thanks for ruining the fun.
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HMS Victory 104 gun 1st Rate (1765) 63,176 3/- 6d

HMS Isis 50 gun 4th rate (1776) 19,303.8/.9d + fitting out 4334.19/.6d

HMS Warrior and HMS Black Prince (1860-1861)-- 357,291

HMS Defence HMS Resistance, HMS Hector and HMS Valiant (Frigates)--237,291,(1859-1861).

HMS Dreadnaught (1906) 1,785,683.

HMS Hood ( 1918) 6,025,000

HMS Ark Royal (91) ( 1938) 3,000,000

HMS Ark Royal (R07) 1981 320,000,000

HMS Trafalagar (S107) 1983 200,000,000

Future QE class Carriers 7,095,000,000 and rising.

Type 45 Destroyer 4,095,000,000 and rising
Thanks for the figures. I've tried to find the GDP for the UK in these periods. Based on the GDP for the UK given at ukpublicspending.co.uk, the estimates are as follows:

Provided the GDP of the UK in 1765 was 89 mill. then it cost 0,07 pct of GDP to build HMS Victory.

Provided the GDP of the UK in 1860 was 812 mill. then it cost 0,04 pct of GDP to build HMS Warrior (which in its time was a much more advanced ship compared to Victory in its time).

Provided the GDP of the UK in 1906 was 2033 mill. then it cost 0,087 pct of GDP to build HMS Dreadnought (which in it's time is more an equivalent to HMS Warrior than HMS Victory).

Provided the GDP of the UK in 1918 was 5108 mill. then it cost 0,12 pct of GDP to build HMS Hood.

Provided the GDP of the UK in 2010 was 1 458 000 mill. then it cost 0,07 pct of GDP to build HMS Daring (Type 45) based on average cost of 1 000 million for each ship.

This is of course just playing around with numbers.
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