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Old November 11th, 2012, 06:11 AM   #301

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The Royal Navy's last two classes of pre-dreadnoughts,the King Edward VIIs averaged 1.45 million each and the Lord Nelsons 1.65 million each.
HMS Dreadnought at 1.78 million gave what the Americans call "a bigger bang for the buck", something which Jackie Fisher was quick to point out.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:24 PM   #302

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I'd ignore HMS Hood - the whole design wwas recast at least once, more like twice, consequently inflating the price (much the same can be said of the QE carriers, of course, specifically whether to have cats and arresters or stick to STOVL)
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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:36 PM   #303

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Here is an interesting link, WW1 warship costs for several navies plus exchange rates.

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Old November 12th, 2012, 06:40 PM   #304

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Nelson was a much loved commander and a great tactician who was able to contain and defeat Napoleons fleet. A worthwhile endeavour to be sure. Cook however, was a meticulous cartographer whose efforts in the St Lawrence resulted in the British victory at Quebec, with all the strategic implications that entailed, and his voyages of discovery added more to the map of the world than any other individual. Also, a small but significant thing, Cook introduced the three watch system to the RN. A significant improvement in the condtions of the common seamen.

Cook was a seaman, Nelson was not.
Cooks maps were used until quite recently, they were that accurate that they help up against more modern techniques, until satellites took over.
Comparing Cook and Nelson is very much an apples and oranges exercise though.
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13-15th November 1942, the Naval Battles of Guadalcanal;

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USS Atlanta
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IJN Kirishima
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14th November 1941,HMS Ark Royal sinks after having been torpedoed the day before by U-81 in the Western Mediterranean.


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Ark Royal listing to starboard, the destroyer Legion in attendance.
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I was digging around a bit for some information on the operations related to the Japanese invasion of Malaysia at the beginning of WWII and stumbled on the service history of a Dutch submarine in those early days. For some reason it has set me on fire to find all I can on this boat and to learn more of the efforts of the "little guys" in those disastrous early days of that theater.

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HNLMS O-16 served in the ad hoc naval formations tasked with the defense of Singapore and Malaysia. Prior to being transferred to the Pacific, she performed convoy duty during the Spanish Civil War. Commissioned in 1936 she sported four 21 inch torpedo tubes forward and two in her stern. She also carried two torpedoes mounted externally amidships though the photo does not show them. Her maximum dive depth is listed at 80 meters. This boat is a little piece of forgotten history that demonstrates all too well the sacrifices that get overlooked in the big picture of major histories.

At the beginning of hostilities she was on patrol out of Singapore, shadowing a Japanese convoy. On 10 December she came upon the Ayatosan Maru, a damaged Japanese freighter hit by Australian Hudson bombers and said to be the first Japanese surface ship casualty of the war. She struck the Ayatosan Maru and the accompanying Sakura Maru with torpedoes, damaging both ships. On 12 December she got in amongst the convoy and sank three freighters and damaged another. A good day by any standards.

On 15 December the O-16 was inbound to Singapore, leaving the Gulf of Siam when she struck a mine and sank. Only one crew member survived. Not much information other than the above has been found by me on this gallant and forgotten boat. Her short story begs better recognition, as does the story of the Dutch naval and land forces so badly overlooked, but no less important, in those early days of struggle and loss in the Pacific.

If anyone has any information or sources they could pass on regarding the O-16, as well as the Dutch effort in general, I would be grateful. I would be ecstatic if I could find the name of the lone survivor of her sinking in the hope of finding out more about her final patrol. Thanks.

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This video has footage from pre-war and WW2. Unfortunately the first bit is home video of a visit to the wrecksite.
Vondst 0 16 - YouTube

The full story of the sole survivor, Cornelis de Wolf can be seen here:-
Dutch Submarines: The story of Cor de Wolf, sole survivor of Hr. Ms. O 16, which was lost in 1941 in the South China Sea
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14th November 1941,HMS Ark Royal sinks after having been torpedoed the day before by U-81 in the Western Mediterranean.


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Ark Royal listing to starboard, the destroyer Legion in attendance.
Anexample of poor damage control - "don't let water into the ship - that's what the enemy are trying to do". Some, at least, learned a lesson from that. If HMS Nelson's DC team hadn't used judicious counterflooding to keep her on an even keel, she'd almost certainly have been lost. Ark finally succumbed when the water flooded the uptakes, and put the boilers out. In the original plans she was to have had diesel generators which would probably have given enough pumping capacity to get her to Gib., but they were replaced by additional turbogenerators.
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One of my favourite Trafalgar stories is that of HMS Africa's encounter with the Spanish ship Santisima Trinidad...

"The Santisima Trinidad was severely damaged, with rigging and sails hanging over its side. The fighting ceased and she was reported to have struck her colours (the signal of surrender).
Captain Digby (of the Africa) then sent Lieutenant Smith with a party to take charge of her. He was courteously received by the Spanish who pointed out they had not surrendered, had no intention of doing so, and had merely paused in firing to supply more powder to the guns. Lieutenant Smith returned to the Africa. In fact the Santisima Trinidad took no further part in the battle."

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