diddyriddick

Right......
Next.

rehabnonono

Here are some questions I would like answered Diddy, if I am to believe your version that FDR didn't want war and knew nothing of the attack on Pearl.
The timeline goes from June until the night before the attack on Pearl.

23 June 1941.
The day after the launch of Hitler's Barbarossa, FDR's Point Man On the "New Deal", and personal friend and advisor, the Secretary of the Interior Harold Ickes, sent a Memo to HDR saying that “...there might develop from the embargoing of oil to Japan such a situation as would make it not only possible but easy to get into this war in an effective way. And if we should thus indirectly be brought in, we would avoid the criticism that we had gone in as an ally."

Why was he writing in such a way, if as you say, his close friend the President was against going to war?

24 July 1941 FDR comments, “If we had cut off the oil, they probably would have gone down to the Dutch East Indies a year ago, and you would have had war.” The following day he freezes Japanese assets in the U.S. and imposes an oil embargo against Japan.

After saying that they would be at war if the US embargoed oil to Japan why would he then cut oil to Japan, if as you stated he didn't want to go to war with Japan?

14 August 1941. Churchill is surprised at the “...astonishing depth of Roosevelt's intense desire for war.”

Why would Churchill describe FDR's desire to go to war as having astonishing depth, if as you say FDR did not want to go to war?

24 September 1941. US Naval intelligence cracks message to Japan’s consul-general in Honolulu, requesting exact locations of Warships in Pearl, this information was never passed to commanders.

The question today is; was it passed on to FDR? And if it was what did he do about it? Did he have anything to do with the fact that it was not passed on to the commanders at Pearl? Who by the way Diddy did not get a fair shake and if memory serves me, did not get the Court Martial and the chance to exonerate themselves as they demanded.

18 October 1941. FDR’s friend and Sec. of Interior Harold Ickes notes in his diary: “For a long time I have believed that our best entrance into the war would be by way of Japan.”

That's rather strange don't you think Diddy? This goes against what you have been saying, something about what kind of a fool would want to go to war with Japan as a way of getting into a war with German. And you mention that public opinion was turning towards war. Yet Diddy, four days later opinion polls showed that almost three quaters of the US public opposed going to war with Japan. With only 13 percent in favor.

25 November 1941. Told by FDR to expect war to start any day, Secretary of War Stimson speculates on... “how we should maneuver them into the position of firing the first shot without too much danger to ourselves… In spite of the risk involved, however, in letting the Japanese fire the first shot, we realized that in order to have the full support of the American people it was desirable to make sure that the Japanese be the ones to do this so that there should remain no doubt in anyone’s mind as to who were the aggressors.”

So perhaps Diddy is it by complete coincidence that the very day after the Secetary of War writes about luring the Japanese into a shooting war...

26 November 1941. Commanders of the Enterprise and the Lexington are issued orders to leave Pearl "as soon as possible". Taking with them 40% of Pearl's fighter defenses. And then On the same day, Secretary of State Hull demands the complete withdrawal of all Japanese troops from French Indochina and from China.

December 1, 1941 Final authorization for the planned attack given by the emperor. Office of Naval Intelligence, ONI, 12th Naval District in San Francisco finds the Japanese fleet by correlating reports from the four wireless news services and U.S. naval intelligence radio intercepts of the Japanese transmissions.

5 December 1941, 10 a.m. President Roosevelt writes to the Australian Prime Minister that “the next four or five days will decide the matters” on Japan. On the same day at 5 p.m. At a Cabinet meeting, Secretary of the Navy Frank Knox says, “Well, you know Mr. President, we know where the Japanese fleet is?” FDR replied, “Yes, I know … Well, you tell them what it is Frank.” Just as Knox was about to speak Roosevelt appeared to have second thoughts and interrupted him saying, “We haven’t got anything like perfect information as to their apparent destination.”

However Diddy, don't you think that if the information Knox was prepared to talk about dated on the 5th of December, was in the middle of the Pacific, then there probably was only one destination that would interest the US Navy and that was Pearl?

6 December 1941, 9 p.m. At a White House dinner Roosevelt was given the first thirteen parts of a fifteen part decoded Japanese diplomatic declaration of war and said, “This means war!” he said to Harry Hopkins, but did not interrupt the soiree and did not issue any orders to the military to prepare for an attack.

If it's 9 p.m. on the East Coast, out at Pearl it would still have been 4 p.m. in the afternoon, the day before the attack...

diddyriddick

As I said before, I won't comment on quotes taken out of context and with which I'm unfamiliar. Please provide sources. I will then answer in toto.

laketahoejwb

He is backing out again.

diddyriddick

Backing out? Backing out of what? I've already crushed your weak assertions. I've merely asked for sources. Get a clue.

laketahoejwb

Not a chance. You haven't got the Constitution straight on Congressional powers yet and that is but a start on the testimony of our hero's Adm Kimmel and Short.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Husband_E._Kimmel
http://www.historum.com/war-military...9?postcount=28


ie: Congress only has the power to Declare (and fund) War with all of its Appendicies .

.....The Commander in Chief mearly conducts War under the provisions of Congresses' Declaration of War.

Your unwelcome attacks on me and my References prove your desperation. Many others here are on this side of the discussion await your view or attacks. Which is it??

diddyriddick

Rehabnono is a worthy opponent who provides credible sources to support his arguments. He and I have tangled before and speaking for me, I've learned from him. I can't speak for him. Having said that I believe he is wrong, and I fully intend to prove it.

You, on the other hand, take a position that is constitutionally indefensible and provide ZERO sources to support your assertion. While your sources do incorrectly assert that FDR knew about PH, they do NOT support your position that Roosevelt's moving of the fleet to PH was extra-constitutional. I have provided ample sources to support my position-you have provided nothing.

I am fully prepared to discuss and debate cogent opinions, even when in disagreement with my own. What I won't do any more is waste my time discussing crackpot theories based in ignorance. Have a nice day.

laketahoejwb

ditto. ...

does this mean your yelping out again ????? ...... What then is Congresses' Power here and for WWII?? That too is crackpot??? We don't think so......

diddyriddick

Have a nice day.