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Old May 4th, 2012, 02:38 AM   #61

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Lol its not about the amount of men u conquer but the armies u defeat with least casualities or against highest odds.Number of civilians means nothing.
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Old May 5th, 2012, 09:42 AM   #62

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Incredibly roman biased.No hannibal campaign,where are napoleon's italian and prussian campaign.Fall gelb or third battle of kharkov.Marlborough's blenheim campaign or frederick's 1757 rossbach and leuthen campaign.
gustavas adolphus's march through germany.Thats a biased list sry.
Roman history being my area of special interest, naturally I choose plenty of Roman campaigns. I did not, however, say that I consider the campaigns I mentioned to be the very best in history - I simply said that they are, IMHO, ten outstanding campaigns, which they in all honesty actually are.
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General Calrissian's assault on the Death Star has to rank up there, IMHO...

But you certainly can't talk about it without mentioning Admiral Ackbar's brilliant insight.

Also, what about all those independent contractors, man?
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Confederate Raphael Semmes' campaign as a commerce raider to harass Union shipping.

His record still stands today.


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I think Wellington's Peninsula Campaign has to be up their. Brilliantly conducted.
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General Calrissian's assault on the Death Star has to rank up there, IMHO...

But you certainly can't talk about it without mentioning Admiral Ackbar's brilliant insight.

Also, what about all those independent contractors, man?
Anything real?
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Old May 8th, 2012, 02:30 PM   #67
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Second Syrian Campaign
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Sherman's March to the Sea
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Six-Day War
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OK, OK, I have no intention of getting into a spat about a dead military commander. I happen to be one of those folks who think Napoleon should be buried in the ground, along with other conquering "heroes" who cost the lives of so many people. I happen to think Alexander "the Great" was a tyrannical egomaniac. And Frederick "the Great" of Prussia started a huge war by trying to steal a province from Austria. A huge long-term problem with the east part of Germany was the development of Prussian militarism after the Thirty Years War. This would later become a problem for all of Germany and it would not become totally eradicated until 1945. I suppose the only reason why we don't refer to Herr Schicklegruber as "Hitler the Great" is because he lost.

As you are the OP person I'll abide by your wishes and select only one Belisarius campaign. A bit of background. Approximately 540 CE the Persian king Chosroes invaded Byzantine territory and sacked Antioch. He then returned to Persia and prepared to invade again, but with a much larger army, and his destination was Jerusalem, the next most affluent city since Antioch had been plundered. With such a large army he couldn't cross the desert again, but had to march along a route up the Euphrates and into Syria where he would then turn and proceed south. Justinian sent Belisarius to deal with the situation. Belisarius' forces were about one-tenth or even one-twentieth the size of the invading army.

Belisarius established his camp near where Chosroes would have to turn south. He then spread his best troops along Chosroes' flank to make it appear as though he had a very large and capable army. These troops conducted numerous maneuvers to make it seem there were many more than met the eye. A final cavalry demonstration persuaded Chosroes that to proceed farther was too much of a risk, and he took his army and returned to Persia.

What a phenomenal feat by the shrewd Belisarius. He defended the local people he was sent to protect from a huge invading army intending to kill and plunder them, and he did it without losing a single soldier in combat. I think it may be the most remarkable military campaign in history.

How many times in history have a people faced a threatening invasion (and guess how much it must have cost $ to Chosroes to move that big army over such a long distance) and defeated the invader without loss of life or destruction of property?

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Just because a campaign doesn't end in a battle doesn't mean it's not a military campaign. Clausewitz was wrong (and he admitted he hadn't reached a conclusion because he advised that all his papers be burnt on his death.) Instead, his papers were published and became a basis for standard European military doctrine. Such was very evident during the blood-soaked WW I battles and campaigns. Clausewitz's aborted conclusion was that the goal of a military campaign was to seek battle and defeat the enemy on the battlefield.

But the best military commanders know the worst thing is to risk a direct confrontation. They'll do anything to outmaneuver the enemy and will only seek battle when that enemy is in an untenable position. Hannibal once marched thru a swamp to avoid having a direct confrontation with a Roman army, even though he'd been defeating them consistently. Current US military strategy is based on his Canae battle. In a conventional war, the US will seek to destroy everything possible in the rears areas (especially electronic communications) before committing ground troops to an attack, and then that attack will be directed at the flanks rather than be direct.

This is what Nap forgot after 1805. Rather than his Italian or Austerlitz campaigns, he began seeking direct, frontal battle.

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I'll list that bloodless campaign by Belisarius as #1. #2 is Sherman's march to the Sea.
excuse me if i am wrong but i believed we were discussing the military skill of these conquerors, not their ethics. And Hitler is not called Hitler the Great for a number of reasons. the first is that his actions were condemned by his contemporaries even before he lost, so even had he won, it is unlikely that his epithet would be "the great". Second, Hitler was first and formost a statesman and dictator, his generals were the ones who did most of his conquering. Third, the epithet "great" had mostly fallen out of use even by napoleon's time so hitler wouldnt have gotten it. And last but not least, if he lost, he couldnt have been so great now could he?

Also, forgive my ignorance but could u specify which campaign is the bloodless campaign? when i googled it you were the top result lol so idk what u mean. and sherman's march to the sea, while important, seems to pale in comparison to Nobunaga's mino campaign, or Subutai's european campaign, or even the Second Syrian Campaign of Ramses the Great
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The big battle has been always the priority of great commanders as its the only ay to assure swift destruction of the enemy army and a decisivequick campaign.
Sir this is not true. You leave out all guerilla campaigns, the night attack (arguably the greatest use of psychological warfare in history), and siege warfare, which is an art in and of itself. big battle campaigns may be dramatic, but to say that they are the best type of campaign is ridiculous
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