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April 7th, 2012, 04:54 PM
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#11 | | Scholar
Joined: Oct 2009 From: Ontario, Canada Posts: 826 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Nemowork  True but many of the fighting units at Arnhem werent elite or even armoured, they were the typical scratch groups simply hurled at the allied forces using numbers to make up for training, they were even arming organisation Todt labourers and using them as infantry. | Bagger was talking about the elite units only. That's what I was referring to.
Market Garden wasn't a total failure. It won passage through a troublesome section of real estate but it's gains were very expensive.
It wasn't stupidity, it was Monty's hubris that made him want to be the one to end the war with one big thrust. It was too ambitious and gambled too much on the success of a single column of troops.
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April 27th, 2012, 01:37 AM
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#12 | | αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν
Joined: Jan 2010 From: Lower Saxony Posts: 10,400 |
I did not want to open a thread for it, because I just have a special question.
I got post from berlin about one of my grandfathers. I knew all about his military career till november 1941, the rest was unknown for me. Now I fortunately know more. After his severe wounding near Twer/Kalinin in november 1941 he stayed in hospital till january 1943 and was the commanded to a replacement batallion, exactly a convalescent company, then. On september 18th 1944 he was send to stop the operation Market Garden with the Grenadier batallion Münster as part of the Division 406 zbV and the Korps "Feldt" and fought with his unit between Groesbeek and Mook, mainly against the 505th Parachute regiment and the Coldstream guards. I collected a lot of informations in the last days. Does somebody here has detailed maps, battle orders, combat reports from the time between september 18th and 30th from the region between Groesbeek and Mook? Thanks.
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April 28th, 2012, 01:04 AM
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#13 | | αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν
Joined: Jan 2010 From: Lower Saxony Posts: 10,400 |
Hey, so many military experts here and nobody has some good informations about the 5o5th parachute infantry regiment or the coldstream guards, besides the common information on the www?
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April 28th, 2012, 03:37 AM
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#14 | | Historian
Joined: Mar 2011 From: Florida Posts: 1,320 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Azita How do members rate the performance of the US 82nd at Nijmegen?
Would you say that it had any bearing on the the failure to secure the Arnhem Bridge?
Azita | The 82nd was given too many objectives and the capture of the bridge at Nijmegen was not given top priority by Browning. As to their performance let's just take Browning's remark at face value who called them "the best division in the world".
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April 28th, 2012, 04:05 AM
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#15 | | αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν
Joined: Jan 2010 From: Lower Saxony Posts: 10,400 | Quote:
Originally Posted by HammockHank The 82nd was given too many objectives and the capture of the bridge at Nijmegen was not given top priority by Browning. As to their performance let's just take Browning's remark at face value who called them "the best division in the world". | Do you have some informations about the Groesbeek-Mook area?
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April 28th, 2012, 04:30 AM
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#16 | | Suspended indefinitely
Joined: Apr 2010 From: England ( for now) Posts: 249 | Quote:
Originally Posted by HammockHank The 82nd was given too many objectives | Or were not up to the job. Quote:
Originally Posted by HammockHank "the best division in the world". | Did they just have a bad day then?
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April 29th, 2012, 12:31 PM
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#17 | | Historian
Joined: Mar 2011 From: Florida Posts: 1,320 | Quote:
Originally Posted by beorna Do you have some informations about the Groesbeek-Mook area? | Nothing other than the general history stuff that can be found on the many accounts of the battle. Sorry.
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April 29th, 2012, 01:08 PM
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#18 | | Pain in the butt
Joined: Dec 2011 From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk. Posts: 3,611 | Quote:
Originally Posted by beorna Do you have some informations about the Groesbeek-Mook area? | Unfortunatly all my books are boxed up. But i did find this, maybe it will help. The airborne landing in Holland 1944 | Operation Market Garden | | | |
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April 29th, 2012, 01:09 PM
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#19 | | Pain in the butt
Joined: Dec 2011 From: Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk. Posts: 3,611 | Quote:
Originally Posted by HammockHank The 82nd was given too many objectives and the capture of the bridge at Nijmegen was not given top priority by Browning. As to their performance let's just take Browning's remark at face value who called them "the best division in the world". | Just because one General makes such a comment, does not make it true.
Their is a difference between opinion and fact. This is simply a matter of opinion.
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April 29th, 2012, 01:19 PM
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#20 | | The Snub Nosed Truth
Joined: Dec 2010 From: Oregon coastal mountains Posts: 5,413 | Quote:
Originally Posted by Bish Just because one General makes such a comment, does not make it true.
Their is a difference between opinion and fact. This is simply a matter of opinion. |  | | | |
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