Market garden a winable battle lost through stupidity? - Page 5 - Historum

rehabnonono · May 5th, 2012, 09:23 PM

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i DOUBT MODern tacticiuns would (who uses the word coutnenance [no 'r'] in an actual sentence?) have been alive back then. Also, what modern tacticians are you talking about? General Tommy FraNKS?

Big old spelling bus run me down huh!

Thanks

for the spelling Marlo, the word means approve, and welcome to the forum. Where we don't usually pick up on spelling. I spell perfectly Mon- Fri promise. iPads huh!

Just included a comparison, and it was definately not the US Army, which hasn't met an evenly matched army for a long time. My point in mentioning them was with ER armor it doesn't seem to matter if your column is flanked because there's not much they can do about it anyway. Apparently no tankers were killed on the road to Baghdad. At least not by the enemy.

I've learned a lot about history here and try to write explanations so that people with no previous experience with the event could understand, thus what seems like beating a dead horse to you might be appreciated by others.

Any real criticism of what I said? Would any modern tacticians have gone along with these plans, given their vulnerabilities?

**srb7677** · May 5th, 2012, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by zero_cool

I'm currently reading A Bridge Too Far, by Cornelius Ryan. Anyone else read it?

Yes, I have read it and it is an excellent read. I recommend it.

**diddyriddick** · May 7th, 2012, 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MarloStanfield

Is it better than "Paws Off, Cheddarface?"

Perhaps you could enlighten us with analysis that furthers the historical discussion rather than just sniping.

zero_cool · May 8th, 2012, 03:12 AM

brilliant contribution to the conversation Marlo you troll

zero_cool · May 10th, 2012, 02:10 AM

Hypothetically, if Ike had not approved Market Garden, and instead allocated all those valuable resources and supplies to Patton's Third Army for it's drive into Southern Germany, do you think the Allies could have succeed in breaking through to Berlin and possibly ending the war in 1944?

Or would the Third Army have been too exposed and overstretched, subjected to flanking counter-attacks, and unable to be re-supplied?
Would they have simply run out of fuel, ammunition, and supplies? This was the reason given in 44 for refusing Patton from advancing into Germany, and adopting a broad front advance...

**redcoat** · May 11th, 2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by zero_cool

Hypothetically, if Ike had not approved Market Garden, and instead allocated all those valuable resources and supplies to Patton's Third Army for it's drive into Southern Germany, do you think the Allies could have succeed in breaking through to Berlin and possibly ending the war in 1944?

Not going ahead with the plan wouldn't have free up much in the way of extra supplies at the front, for the simple reason with the exception of XXX Corps these forces came directly from Britain, and so didn't place any major demands on the logistical network through France. It was one of the main reasons the plan was chosen.