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Old April 19th, 2012, 05:29 PM   #21

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and honestly a general should not be judged by how many battles he lost but the lost battles which he learned from
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The Imperial Field Marshal Prince Eugene of Savoy.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 05:46 PM   #23

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The Imperial Field Marshal Prince Eugene of Savoy.
Battle of Denain? Villars certainly won the battle and the campaign against Eugene.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 05:54 PM   #24

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Well its a bit of a silly question really.
If a sergeant is in a small enemy encounter, wins this encounter and retires from the enemy he is officially ''undefeated''
There are probably tons of generals who participated in a battle won it and went to a staff function of something.
Exactly. I nominate General Mills and General Motors.
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Old April 19th, 2012, 06:10 PM   #25

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general motors lost in the recession of 2009
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Old April 19th, 2012, 06:37 PM   #26

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and honestly a general should not be judged by how many battles he lost but the lost battles which he learned from
Well said. Also, I would rather have a general who fought in 100 battles and lost 1, than a general who fought in only 1 battle and lost none. The latter could be said to have "never lost a battle", unlike the former. But who would you rather depend on?
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Old April 19th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #27

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Would not disagree in that you can argue about what was a victory this or that etc , is calling off a siege because you don't think you are going to win and a refusal to destroy an army trying to a defeat (eg Ottoman attack on Malta)? or retreating and 'saying I'll take it next year' with the army intact a sign of a good commander.

Wasn't he also short of a good siege train?

I don't say Wellington was the greatest commander ever (he was/is hero wprshipped by some) but he was a very good commander.
He had the cannon available but in planning decided he did not need it. He underestimated the enemy.

He was most definitely a great commander. Immensely capable, good judgement, great moral courage, very good eye for terrain, capable of attack or defense. Third greatest military commander in British history. After Marlborough and Nelson.
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Battle of Denain? Villars certainly won the battle and the campaign against Eugene.
Yes, but Eugene was not actually present at the battle. The allied force there was commanded, I believe, by the Duke of Albemarle (hope I spelled that correctly).
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khalid and scipio africanus.Davout.
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Old April 20th, 2012, 02:21 AM   #30

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Scipio didn't lose a field battle, but he did suffer some setbacks and minor defeats outside of that; at New Carthage he was originally beaten back in the first assault (apparently he hadn't gotten the length of the ladders right, and failed to take the city of Utica for two years despite having a converted fleet and land force, and also suffered a minor defeat when the Carthaginian navy attacked his converted fleet, destroying and capturing lots of his ships. But these are all minor, New Carthage was quickly taken despite the initial setback, and he lessened the damage to his fleet by some quick and quite brilliant thinking...

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