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Old May 9th, 2012, 06:36 AM   #21
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Incorrect. There are physical differences between different humans (muscular and skeletal), and different cultures that produce different mentalities.
On a somewhat related note, it's interesting that African pygmies have the highest testosterone levels of all human racial types. Yes, higher than those giant Polynesians and manly-looking Plains Indians.

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There's in my opinion too many factors that play into this. You have weapons, leadership, training. Another territory. One army could be supreme in one part of the world and obsolete in another. To point out in history which nation or empire had the best soldier is very hard to do.
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Incorrect. There are physical differences between different humans (muscular and skeletal), and different cultures that produce different mentalities.
There are physical differences within any human group you choose..and mostly they are based on the diet that said humans have access to (resources again). There are probably more physical differences within any given nation than between any 2 nations.

Moreover physical differences do not necessarily make better or worse soldiers. Are smaller people worse soldiers than taller ones ? The taller guy has a better reach with a sword but the smaller guy will fit much better into a tank for example.....So what ?

As for the mentalities they are also mostly linked to the resources available to that culture......

I am sorry to say that the attempt to classify humans and decide which culture/nation is "better" at something is at best silly and at worst leads to the type of ideology that flourished in Germany in the 30s... We all know what came out of that.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 07:41 AM   #24
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Russian soldiers are known to be bad soldiers.
By whom ?

Over the ages they managed to

1 - Protect Europe from Asian invasions
2 - Help stop, defeat and roll back the turks
3 - Stop Napoleon and destroy the Grande Armee, the largest army ever assembled to date
4 - Stop Hitler and destroy the even largest army he assembled to invade the USSR

And btw through all that managed to conquer and so far retain the largest country on earth.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 07:49 AM   #25
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By whom ?

Over the ages they managed to

1 - Protect Europe from Asian invasions
2 - Help stop, defeat and roll back the turks
3 - Stop Napoleon and destroy the Grande Armee, the largest army ever assembled to date
4 - Stop Hitler and destroy the even largest army he assembled to invade the USSR

And btw through all that managed to conquer and so far retain the largest country on earth.
I think you leave some factors out. The cold defeated Napoleon. Not Russian troops. And by the way the environment and climat always played a big role in defending Russia.
In WW2 Russian officers were poorly trained, and poorly trained leaders rely on methods that are costly.
In 1945 the Russians sent troops through minefields to gain victories. When you put low value on individual life, you will lose a lot of people unnecessary.
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if you take the period before 1945:

best one(s): turks and japanese (the mindset. an army conditioned to die beforehand is very hard to defeat.)
worst one: italians (while carrying arms they got butchered by bedouins bearing machetes, in ww1)

of course, purely my opinion.
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Old May 9th, 2012, 07:54 AM   #27
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with race I ment human classification.
There aren't any that aren't anything but at worst completely arbitrary, or at best contingent on historical, geographical and social conditions.

There certainly are no "martial races", but if building an army I would prefer to be given teenagers to work with. Age is a definite biological factor here. Other ones simply don't matter.
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Russian officers have shown to be pretty stupid throughout history and German officers quite intelligent, but I think if it comes to regular soldiers they are pretty much equal. Some units are however stronger then the other.
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I would say its not the matter of to what nation people belong but what they are.

Personally I would conscript to all european armies all the football hoolingans and let them training fight and to fight. They already got organisation, discipline, some strange sence of honour and - what is more important - the will to fight and to sacrifice their lifes if necessary
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Russian officers have shown to be pretty stupid throughout history and German officers quite intelligent, but I think if it comes to regular soldiers they are pretty much equal. Some units are however stronger then the other.
head to head Napoleon could have took on a Russian army 2 or 3 times it size.

Russian army was far inferior indeed.
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