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View Poll Results: Who Do You Beleive Had The Best Army?
Soviet Union 46 14.11%
Germany 156 47.85%
America 74 22.70%
Great Britian 15 4.60%
Australia 1 0.31%
Japan 3 0.92%
Italy 3 0.92%
Finland 15 4.60%
Rumania 1 0.31%
France 0 0%
China 0 0%
Poland 4 1.23%
Canada 5 1.53%
Bulgaria 3 0.92%
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Old March 31st, 2017, 09:04 PM   #661

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But then, the Wehrmacht is is army, air force, navy, and any other component of the German military in WW2.

And given that there was no major "Western Front" between June 1940 and June 1944 and that the Mediterranean was a minor theater for them with only one corps sent initially and that strength only marginally increased by the eve of El Alamein in 1942... It should be safe to say that for most of the war, most of the German army was committed to the Eastern Front.
Actually no, you'd think so, but in fact not the case.

This is also a fallacy that people use when they want to massage the numbers, usually to try to prove that the Soviets won the war singlehandedly.
(Not accusing you of that, but do look very carefully at the numbers before passing judgement)

The fact is that the efforts of British bombing required the Germans to maintain a million men+ in the west for civil defence, firefighting, rescue, repair etc, not to mention another million or so of LW, AA battalions and other armed forces.
Had there been no war between Germany and the British Empire, these men wouldn't have been sitting around in the beer garden enjoying pilsner & schnitzel, there'd have been millions more men available for the eastern front.

And for the record, there was a "Western Front" in 1941 fought by the British & Allies - in Greece & Yugoslavia (well, more like a Southern front)
So the bulk of the German army faces the British/Aussies/Greek/Yugoslavs for the first half of 1941, and the Soviets for the second half.
In 1943 the Axis have diverted almost 40 divisions to the Med, so far, far more than just the Africa Korps.
As for 1942, by Nov 1942 the Axis have not "marginally increased" their numbers, there are a half million men either in Africa, or on their way there, all of who will never return to Europe.
Not as many as in the USSR, but not insignificant either.

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Old April 1st, 2017, 01:47 AM   #662
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People also forget the huge amount of resources and fuel the Germans spend on the battle of the Atlantic. They build over a thousand submarines, with accompanying crew and logistics.

As a crude estimate (just using wiki reichmarks costs, comparing wartime costs is always tricky) a type VII submarine costs about as much as 35 Panther tanks.
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You're right. I did not know about this "drop". As it was, it was a botch from beginning to end because the units were literally cobbled together in great haste, had no unit cohesion and in fact, most of the troops did not know each other and had no experience working together and included many, if not most, soldiers who had never even jumped out of an airplane before. Not to mention using very inexperienced pilots who had little to none experience flying in formation in the middle of a snow storm, no less. It would have been better if the mission had never taken place at all. Such is war...

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Hitler's Messing with his own army I believe gives the US/UK a lead. The Dilution of Divisions,Major Strategy Mistakes and so on
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The best army was the USA they changed the tide of the war plus they created the first nuclear weapon or weapon of mass distunction
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So I'll concede it could be 88%, maybe 85%, maybe not 90 flat. But it's undeniable the vast, vast majority of German energy in the war was focused on the Soviets.
It all depends what terminology you use. 'German Army' is not the same as the Field Army. No matter how you slice it there was never 80% of the Field Army fighting in The East.

Theses figures might help you.

https://forum.axishistory.com/viewto...8982ac#p844800

example:

2. Date: 5.5.1944 (situation likely of April 1944)
East: 3,878,000
Finland: no figure given
Norway: 311,000
Denmark: no figure given
West: 1,873,000
Italy: 961,000
Balkans: 826,000
Sum: 7,849,000
Source: "Strategische Lage im Frühjahr 1944", presentation held by Jodl, 5.5.1944. (referenced to BA-MA, N69/18.)


Short version May 1944
Italy/West = 2,834,0000

East = 3,878,000
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The best army was the USA they changed the tide of the war plus they created the first nuclear weapon or weapon of mass distunction
The US army fought at Stalingrad? well I never.

Thought It was a multinational team of scientist's who developed the bomb not the corps of engineers.
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The US army fought at Stalingrad? well I never.

Thought It was a multinational team of scientist's who developed the bomb not the corps of engineers.
The United States Army in Europe became quite effective despite it’s small size and limited experience before June 1944. And no army was better at fighting the Japanese. The United States Army also had the best air force of the war. And the best artillery.

Only the United States had the wealth and industrial resources to build the Bomb. And the United States Army played a vital role in organizing and using those resources.
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