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Old November 21st, 2012, 07:03 AM   #341
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Battle of Gaixia

Liu Bang defeats Xiang Yu, Xiang Yu managed to escape but later commits suicide. After Xiang Yu death, Chu fortress surrendered, and the Han Dynasty was formed.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 07:03 AM   #342
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ok i gotcha p.s. welcome to the site

Because of this one battle, it speeds up the unification china.
They built a temple over the site to appease the dead spirits during tang dynasty.
Even now, its say that bones are continue to be digged up from that battle field.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 07:09 AM   #343
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Because of this one battle, it speeds up the unification china.
They built a temple over the site to appease the dead spirits during tang dynasty.
Even now, its say that bones are continue to be digged up from that battle field.
agreed
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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:51 PM   #344

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The Battle of Zenta in 1697. Eugene inflicted a debacle on the Sultan.
Agreed.

I will never understand for the life of me, why they sent their entire cavalry force to the opposite side of the crossing, without leaving any behind to protect the crossong.

A large congestion was always going to take place, once the Ottoman infantry saw they were completely surrounded and were about to get annhilated.

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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:58 PM   #345

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Oh oh,

Okay i got another, I believe is is called the "Battle of Tsushima Strait"

The Imperial Russian Pacific Fleet was sunk at Port Arthur by the Imperial Japanese Navy.

So in response the Russians mobilize a fleet sailed it all the way from the Baltic to the Pacific and it was met by the Imperial Japanese Fleet under the Command of Admiral Togo. In what I consider a foreshadowing, the Japanese resoundingly thrash a Western power. And would be setting the stage for the emerging power of the Japanese Empire in the decades to come
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Old November 21st, 2012, 07:34 PM   #346

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Agreed.

I will never understand for the life of me, why they sent their entire cavalry force to the opposite side of the crossing, without leaving any behind to protect the crossong.

A large congestion was always going to take place, once the Ottoman infantry saw they were completely surrounded and were about to get annhilated.
I've only ever read summaries of the action, but my overall impression is that the Turks had no idea where the Austrians were until it was too late.

Had not the Turkish withdrawal from Vienna in the years following 1683 been marked by a certain liesureliness until Zenta?
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Old November 21st, 2012, 07:36 PM   #347

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What about the battle of Karansebes?

Has that already been mentioned?
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I've only ever read summaries of the action, but my overall impression is that the Turks had no idea where the Austrians were until it was too late.
Yep, thats correct, it was a surprise attack. But that is still sloppy, imo. Eugene had already tried to engage in battle in August of that year, when the Ottomans were laying siege, but they refused battle. When the Ottomans moved north, the imperial army shadowed them. They should've been alert for these reasons, imo.

Also, given the dangers of river crossings, its criminal to send all of the cavalry to one side of the crossing, so that they cannot support each other.

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Had not the Turkish withdrawal from Vienna in the years following 1683 been marked by a certain liesureliness until Zenta?
Im not sure tbh. Most probably. They may have just got careless, because they able to regain lost territory against the Habsburgs.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 08:04 AM   #349

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What about the battle of Karansebes?

Has that already been mentioned?
if it did ever happen then yes it must be the most face-palm moment in military history. you know its bad when Wiki for result writes 'self inflicted defeat'
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Dieppe was not supposed to "win" anything, its purpose was to test German defense system. As said previously, the aim was to land troops, have a tickle at German defenses and get the hell out. But considering the outcome, it clearly was a fiasco in terms of casualties. It did bring some useful info regarding German defense system, but I don't think the Brits were expecting such a high casualty rate....
pixie666 in post #20 is correct though. It is still seen as a debacle because it seemed too high a price to pay for what little had been learned. There was actually more than just a couple reasons given for the raid though. The most widely perceived reason was it was a test for equipment, strategies and defenses.

A couple other reasons were that it was to prove to Stalin how difficult it was to open a second front. Related to that was a proposed intent to actually capture Dieppe and hold it for a short period in order to prove to Stalin the allies were taking steps in order to open a second front.

There was a special on the History channel here in Canada last winter about a theory put forth by David O'Keefe. He suggested that the purpose of the raid was actually to recover a four rotor enigma machine from the German naval headquarters at Dieppe and that the raid itself was a cover. The Wikipedia page for Dieppe has an entry mentioning this theory, calling it "enigma pinch" theory.

It was a good peice of sleuth. Was actually a bit gut wrenching seeing him reveal his theory to some of the veterans who participated in the raid. It was gut wrenching because it seemed like some burden on them was lifted. Poor chaps. Up to that point these veterans hadn't been satisfied with the reasons given for the raid. Don't know how accepting other historians have been to O'Keefe's Enigma Pinch theory though. But the show and O'Keefe framed it all very well.

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