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Old June 22nd, 2012, 08:53 AM   #11

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Rome was being slowly destroyed by invasions of different barbarians. The Eastern Empire was hammered pretty well by the Huns.
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 09:47 AM   #12

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Marc Antony?
I agree with all your statements, in fact I mentioned wars where Romans won but they hard time in doing so (I think it is quite hard to find more than a few wars Romans lost).
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I was just giving my small narrative opinions in general

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Is the Jugurthine war any good? I read the Wiki article more bribing and betrayal than fighting. What about the Musitanian war?
Reading a wikia article is not always the best place to go for sources in depth. Its enough for basics though.

In general though I agree. A lot of it was through treachery and bribery but there were some field battles too.

The Lusitanian war was full of fighting and I generally recommend reading up about it. Viriathu was certainly one of the toughest leaders they had ever faced, and I dont recall them defeating him outright, but rather through treachery and assassination.
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Any books on the two?
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Old June 22nd, 2012, 09:56 AM   #14

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Any books on the two?
The best source for the Jugurthine war is Sallust. You can buy hi works on Amazon.

Or this book:

The Crisis of Rome: The Jugurthine and Northern Wars and the Rise of Marius: Amazon.co.uk: Gareth Sampson: Books
The Crisis of Rome: The Jugurthine and Northern Wars and the Rise of Marius: Amazon.co.uk: Gareth Sampson: Books



For the Lusitanian war:

The Lusitanian War: Viriathus the Iberian Against Rome: Amazon.co.uk: Luis Silva: Books
The Lusitanian War: Viriathus the Iberian Against Rome: Amazon.co.uk: Luis Silva: Books



Lusitanian War: Amazon.co.uk: Ronald Cohn Jesse Russell: Books
Lusitanian War: Amazon.co.uk: Ronald Cohn Jesse Russell: Books



Both are currently unavailable with Amazon though, its hard to get a book on this war, imo.

Appian is the best source for this war

Appian's History of Rome: The Spanish Wars
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Old June 24th, 2012, 02:46 AM   #15

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Why not study the war against Palmyra? It's got some fascinating politics and background story besides the actual campaigning.
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Why not study the war against Palmyra? It's got some fascinating politics and background story besides the actual campaigning.
I absolutely agree. Queen Zenobia was a fascinating women.
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Old June 24th, 2012, 05:51 AM   #17

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Rome was being slowly destroyed by invasions of different barbarians.
Actually, it wasn't. Rome wasn't defeated by the barbarians in a single field battle from Adrianople to 476 AD. The Roman state just evaporated and therefore the rich cities in the empire were defenseless and thus were attractive targets for the barbarian tribes beyond the empire to sack.

There isn't any actual war involved in the fall of the Roman Empire, it wasn't a military process but a political/socio-economic process.
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