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Old June 28th, 2012, 05:50 PM   #101

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Debatable, even understrength engineer units were holding up the Germans and the lightly armed 101st and 82nd airborne stopped the German advance.

Time was simply on the allies side,maybe their supplies would have taken longer to come up, maybe it would have taken longer to organise the next attack but the Ardennes was a localised attack that took up the majority of the Germans national resources from 2 fronts.
They were going to collapse, allied airpower simply made it easier.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 07:04 PM   #102

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Sorry but Arracourt cant be taken into serious account, the german armoured convoy was advancing through a muddy road in a heavily wooded forest, the American armour easily ambushed them at close ranges of atleast 100 meters, gaining not only a first-shot advantage, but also a surprise advantage, a cover advantage, a Flanking advantage (They fired from both sides, so if a german tank wheels to face one side its most velunarble part-the rear would be exposed to the other side) at the close range in which they engaged the battle was fairly simple, the tank that fires first wins as most calibers penetrated at that range. the germans not only got fired on by enemies they are COMPLETELY oblivious to and still cant locate them, they also had their flanks wide open. they advanced blindly into an enemy they cant see in the heavy fog, and obviously met a disasterous end.
Ah, but that is how most WW 2 tank battles are won and lost. When it comes to man and machine, TACTICS and training mean so much more than what is put into the machine. Put my nationality aside, it doesn't mean squat in conversations like this, but is it really so hard to admit that the Western allies, specifically in this case Americans, had their own divisions that were more than equal to the German ones they faced?
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Maybe if the interval of bad weather became longer, Nazi could win the battle
cause without airpower, Allied force is nothing
The German generals didn't even believe that. They didn't have the manpower, the resources or time to make good on the objectives they were trying too achieve, and the objective was simply too grand. Even if it were limited in scope, the German generals were still heavily critical of any success. By attacking the allies in the Bulge, Hitler did the Soviets a huge favor when they launched the final battle for Berlin in May. All those Veteran troops, over a hundred thousand, right down the drain known as the Ardennes.
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Debatable, even understrength engineer units were holding up the Germans and the lightly armed 101st and 82nd airborne stopped the German advance.

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The 101st didn't stop the Germans, the Germans simply went round them. True Bastonge was an important road junction, but it didn't stop the advance.
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Ah, but that is how most WW 2 tank battles are won and lost. When it comes to man and machine, TACTICS and training mean so much more than what is put into the machine. Put my nationality aside, it doesn't mean squat in conversations like this, but is it really so hard to admit that the Western allies, specifically in this case Americans, had their own divisions that were more than equal to the German ones they faced?
I don't think there is really any comparison. The German units they faced were a shell of what they once were. Hardly any Division was at full strength and most had been hammered ever since D-Day. And add to this allied air power. It like compareing the DAK to the US soldiers at kasserine.
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