Most humiliating military defeat in your countries history - Page 14 - Historum

MikaelM · July 1st, 2012, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by howard38

The battle was certainly a fiasco but any humiliation was mitigated by Washington's successful evacuation of 9,000 troops from New York. It can even be seen as humiliating for the British since they missed an opportunity to deal a death blow to the American forces.

I was half joking, its the only battle I know of that took place in queens new york :P

Cavanboy · July 1st, 2012, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vercingtorix

The Vietnam war was the most humiliating defeat for the US. There is no reason we should have lost the war. We had better equipment, supplies, logistics. We lost because politicians wanted to appease other countries. So they placed all kinds of restrictions on our men. Like no fly zones and restricted targets. The rules of engagement are the worst thing you could do to an army. War shoudnt have rules. We could have bombed them back to the stone age. I forgot who said it but the US was capable of doing so.

There needs to be rules of war no matter what, not these so called "rules of engagement" but i mean, how you treat POW rules, and you cannot bomb a country back to the stone age just because you can, the mind is mightier than the gun, and if other countrys see you doing this they will not like it one bit, you will loose all your international support and recognition.

and if you have ever heard the saying "dont hurt your enemy to badly, for after the war they may become your allies"

Vercingtorix · July 1st, 2012, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Cavanboy

There needs to be rules of war no matter what, not these so called "rules of engagement" but i mean, how you treat POW rules, and you cannot bomb a country back to the stone age just because you can, the mind is mightier than the gun, and if other countrys see you doing this they will not like it one bit, you will loose all your international support and recognition.

and if you have ever heard the saying "dont hurt your enemy to badly, for after the war they may become your allies"

I agree with your last statement. It's kind of funny how the US supports all these countries and they eventually turn on us. Afganistan, China, Cuba, and Russia are a few examples. I know government changes had a factor in it. I still find it hilarious.

Also pow rules didn't help in Vietnam ask my uncle. He still has the scars from the NVA.

Cavanboy · July 1st, 2012, 05:57 PM

And thats why if the West had got a hold of the Generals they would have been tried for war crimes.

Just because a country doesnt treat your soldiers right doesnt mean you stoop to their level, it sucks i know but whos the more civilized one? besides from what i know, the us soldiers had a blast with the taliban prisoners in a few of the us prison war camps.

rehabnonono · July 1st, 2012, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Vercingtorix

I agree with your last statement. It's kind of funny how the US supports all these countries and they eventually turn on us. Afganistan, China, Cuba, and Russia are a few examples. I know government changes had a factor in it. I still find it hilarious.

Also pow rules didn't help in Vietnam ask my uncle. He still has the scars from the NVA.

The old Arab saying, that in war "...the enemy of my enemy is my friend (for a while anyway). These countries were also tying up the US Army's enemies so it works both ways... After the war all bets are off. If our interests are divergent we all want to go our own way, same as you.

I have read something about the Cuban Revolution, what exactly do you mean by the US supporting Cuba? And has anyone posted on the "Bay of Pigs"? That must have been pretty embarrassing.

Delenda est Roma · July 1st, 2012, 07:03 PM

Those were exiles supplied by the US not the actual US.

Hresvelgr · July 1st, 2012, 07:37 PM

Actually, Bay of Pigs certainly should be mentioned as the most humiliating American defeat. The ground force going in to Cuba were Cuban exiles, but the air support was American and most crucially the plan was American. And boy, was it a bad plan. Apparently Havana was supposed to be toppled by 1500 men storming the shore against Castro's large army and surviving in the hills long enough to somehow inspire an "inevitable" revolution against Castro. And all it earned us was a massive embarrassment in front of the rest of the world and an actual thank-you note from Che for strengthening the revolution.

Delenda est Roma · July 1st, 2012, 07:39 PM

It wasnt an American attack as no American fired a shot:

**Belloc** · July 1st, 2012, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by rehabnonono

I have read something about the Cuban Revolution, what exactly do you mean by the US supporting Cuba? And has anyone posted on the "Bay of Pigs"? That must have been pretty embarrassing.

I'm guessing he's referring to Batista's regime; which was strongly pro-American. So much so there was a Cuban joke about how the American ambassador was the most powerful man in the country. Although Castro did receive some aid from American supporters, since Castro at this time wasn't a fully committed Communist.

Hresvelgr · July 1st, 2012, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Delenda est Roma

It wasnt an American attack as no American fired a shot:

Actually, they did. Several of the aircrews that bombed and strafed Cuban targets were American, and 4 American airmen actually died during the invasion, members of the Alabama Air Guard, US military. That, and Kennedy took full responsibility for the invasion.