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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:29 PM   #511
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At the very time millions of Russian POWS were deliberately being starved to death the German economy was short of manpower by a pretty similar amount. There were many bottlenecks in the German war industry, resource, manpower, transport that did feedback. But the Russian POWs could have been used as labour as they were later in the war.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 12:06 PM   #512

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How do YOU know he is advertising his book?
I didn't mean he wrote the book, but the book that he just posted without much reason.
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MY Book? LMFAO.

You can lead a horse to water...

They are called "sources"...you know, references to scholarly works citing historical documents that support a positional statement.

You should give it a try.

Got some "sources" for your inaccurate assessment of German/Soviet steel production? In finished tons, Germany buried the USSR. See Tooze (and no, I didn't write that one either...LOL).
You use sources to back up claims, not to tell other people to read.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 01:55 PM   #514

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You use sources to back up claims, not to tell other people to read.
The book, Wages Of Destruction, The Making And Breaking Of The Nazi War Economy, by Adam Tooze is a source.

The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy: Amazon.co.uk: Adam Tooze: Books
The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy: Amazon.co.uk: Adam Tooze: Books


If you want to start to understand the Nazi economy this book is the one you have to read.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 02:13 PM   #515

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The book, Wages Of Destruction, The Making And Breaking Of The Nazi War Economy, by Adam Tooze is a source. The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy: Amazon.co.uk: Adam Tooze: Books

If you want to start to understand the Nazi economy this book is the one you have to read.
That's personal bias.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 02:17 PM   #516

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That's personal bias.
It is indeed my personal view, but what book would you recommend in order to understand the workings of the Nazi economy
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Old January 21st, 2013, 02:36 PM   #517

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It is indeed my personal view, but what book would you recommend in order to understand the workings of the Nazi economy
No specific but many different views for an objective point of view.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 02:41 PM   #518

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No specific but many different views for an objective point of view.
So what sources would you use for these 'many different views'
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Old January 21st, 2013, 06:13 PM   #519
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I didn't mean he wrote the book, but the book that he just posted without much reason.
The discussion somehow morphed into "resources"= "the oil situation in the Third Reich in 1941"...I added a link to a very well researched book that deals with the subject.
You complained about it.

Is there anything else to add?

Didn't think so.

May I ask? Why do you have such an aversion to learning from scholarly research?

If you've spent months in the BA/MA, garnering knowledge, then please give us citations to the archival documents that support your views. That is what these authors (that it would seem, I bore you with) have done...

The ability to form opinions (and the freedom to do so) are one thing, but when such views lie at odds with the archival records, then one should really step back and take under consideration that their opinions may in fact require updating.

The books I refer to provide a route to achieving this.

By the way? Still waiting for the source for your opinion vis-a-vis German/Soviet steel production...

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The discussion somehow morphed into "resources"= "the oil situation in the Third Reich in 1941"...I added a link to a very well researched book that deals with the subject.
You complained about it.

Is there anything else to add?
Book are subject to personal bias. You don't debate by linking a book that deals with the subject. In school, they should have taught you how to present your information and then cite them.

My numbers are accepted numbers. If you want source, ask for it: The production numbers are from The National WWII Museum.
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