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Old February 8th, 2014, 07:11 AM   #131
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Showing how well an Aztec sword chops a side of beef avoids the fact that Spaniards used various armors including plate, mail, brigandines and Indian style cotton. Note too that rodeleos carried shields, often iron. The advantage the Spanish had with the sword point isn't discussed nor is the protection against sling stones and darts provided by helmets, visors and bevors.
What makes the video interesting is the fact that the indigenous armor wasn't as bad as supposed, and in contrast, was highly effective. And there is no doubt that Aztec soldiers were well-trained and disciplined. Technologically advanced does not necessarily mean superior. This is a legend. And as mentioned before, the Spanish heavily depended on allies. Without them nothing would have worked. Regarding the role of the diseases the Spanish brought in:

What Killed The Aztecs? A Researcher Probes Role of 16th Century Megadrought - Public Health
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What makes the video interesting is the fact that the indigenous armor wasn't as bad as supposed, and in contrast, was highly effective.
The Indian's body armour was effective against stone Indian weapons, which is why many Spaniards used it, but was it effective against steel European weapons, against spear and sword thrusts and sword and halberd blows?

Some here seem to be underestimating the effects of the boldness, ferocity, resolution, political and organizational skills and skill at arms of the Spanish. Maybe the conquest doesn't happen without disease and Indian allies but it also doesn't happen without the formidable martial virtues of the Spanish.
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The Indian's body armour was effective against stone Indian weapons, which is why many Spaniards used it, but was it effective against steel European weapons, against spear and sword thrusts and sword and halberd blows?

Some here seem to be underestimating the effects of the boldness, ferocity, resolution, political and organizational skills and skill at arms of the Spanish. Maybe the conquest doesn't happen without disease and Indian allies but it also doesn't happen without the formidable martial virtues of the Spanish.
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The Indian's body armour was effective against stone Indian weapons, which is why many Spaniards used it, but was it effective against steel European weapons, against spear and sword thrusts and sword and halberd blows?

Some here seem to be underestimating the effects of the boldness, ferocity, resolution, political and organizational skills and skill at arms of the Spanish. Maybe the conquest doesn't happen without disease and Indian allies but it also doesn't happen without the formidable martial virtues of the Spanish.
+2 Those Spaniards were some BAMFs.
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I'd use the word "virtue" more carefully when referring to unmolested, blood-thirsty conquerors in search of wealth and glory.


Yes, the Spanish had superior weapons.

But is incredibly obvious that their greatest advantage was disease and their second greatest was their allies.
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I'd use the word "virtue" more carefully when referring to unmolested, blood-thirsty conquerors in search of wealth and glory.
Their martial virtues seem obvious. If you don't hold with the notion of such virtues feel free to substitute qualities for virtues. No, they weren't nice guys.

It was the political and martial skills of the Spanish that allowed them Indian allies. Give credit where it's due.

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