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Old October 16th, 2012, 11:28 PM   #221
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Thanks for overstating such obvious tautology after such an evidently extensive & exhaustive review of the sources of the linked website.
Then, please read the remaining of my last post before answering; OK?
Then, please choose the figures that may deserve that you post them here and share their source with us.
After all that, let see together what can we do with them that may fit your purposes; OK?
I do not concentrate on nonsense as that.

Posting unchecked data is a manipulation.

By the way the armies are created for sole purpose of killing enemy I think. They are not created for parades only.


Just for your info
Iraq WIA-KIA Ratio is 6 WIA for every 1 KIA

WWII 3:1 (it is so low due to poor medical services in eastern front)
Vietnam War 4:1
That will help you to not embarrass yourself in future.

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Old October 16th, 2012, 11:29 PM   #222

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syllas and my figures are a bit different for the Polish campaign. they are 17,700 KIA to 37,000 WIA (sylla:16,000 KIA to 27,000 WIA). Our figures for the west are quite identically, 49,000 KIA (46,000) and 110,000 WIA (111,000). That gives a quite similar ratio for WIA/KIA of 2.1 and 2.2. I can't see, that this is evidence for a far worse performance in the west than those of the Poles. Of course the soviets came as well from the east, when all was over, but the germans had as well 3 armies and an army group in the west.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 12:14 AM   #223
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I do not concentrate on nonsense as that.

Posting unchecked data is a manipulation.

By the way the armies are created for sole purpose of killing enemy I think. They are not created for parades only.


Just for your info
Iraq WIA-KIA Ratio is 6 WIA for every 1 KIA

WWII 3:1 (it is so low due to poor medical services in eastern front)
Vietnam War 4:1
That will help you to not embarrass yourself in future.
Thanks (I guess) for the fallacious red herrings, straw man and ad hominems; embarrassing indeed.
Your choice.

Your definition of manipulation is plainly wrong.
Posting cherrypicked and/or "massaged" (your term) information is what manipulation is.

Besides, you may have not checked this website; I have.
Not to mention that you have (of course!) so far failed to provide absolutely any reason why we shouldn't use this tertiary sources, aside of your personal taste.
God only knows why.

That said, again, please just:
- share with us here whatever figures and sources that may fit your purposes,
- let see what can we do together with them,
- and stop wasting our time; OK?
Thanks in advance.
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Old October 17th, 2012, 01:18 AM   #224
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Thanks (I guess) for the fallacious red herrings, straw man and ad hominems; embarrassing indeed.
Your choice.

Your definition of manipulation is plainly wrong.
Posting cherrypicked and/or "massaged" (your term) information is what manipulation is.

Besides, you may have not checked this website; I have.
Not to mention that you have (of course!) so far failed to provide absolutely any reason why we shouldn't use this tertiary sources, aside of your personal taste.
God only knows why.

That said, again, please just:
- share with us here whatever figures and sources that may fit your purposes,
- let see what can we do together with them,
- and stop wasting our time; OK?
Thanks in advance.
You are right. I'm wasting time. you are incapable of admitting that you are wrong.
By the way why are you saing;"and stop wasting our time" are there more than one Silla?
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Old December 6th, 2012, 11:11 AM   #225

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The battle of Mirbat 1972.
9 SAS soldiers and 40 Omani soldiers successfully held off 300 PFLOAG/Adoo combatants.
They suffered 4 casualties to the 80 of the Adoo.

Perhaps not a large battle by any means, but it's a ratio of 6 to1.
Battle of Mirbat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Old thread but rather than start a new one.

Very good choice you might like to watch


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Old December 6th, 2012, 11:25 AM   #226

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Even with Chelmsford's force absent, the remaining British troops should have been able to defend themselves against 20,000 mostly spear armed natives.

The History Channel documentary shows how the British troops were too far advanced and therefore too thinly spread out.

The camp should have had at least some rudimentary fortification but even without, 1200 rifles and two cannons, should have been enough.

Sorry Poly missed this.

Well if they'd fortified the camp, wagon lageer, Durnford stayed in camp etc perhaps.

As I said the 24th wanted to be stationed tight together but the layout of the camp expected 2 battalions (1st 24th and 2nd 24th) but Chelmsford awans off with half the force to engage the Zulu 'Impi', so they are widely spread.

Worse Durnford arrives and charges off to attack some Zulu (actually the main Impi) and demands to coys of redcoats to trudge off to isolation, Durnfords cavalry retreat in the face of the Zulu army but infantry can not (although it would appear by the postions of the bodies they give it a bloody good go!).

20-30,000 Zulu about 25% have guns so the British are out gunned as well as ounumbered (the Zulu guns aren't good quality the British are), in tight defence perhaps they will hold.

However that means giving up large sections of the camp and stores and uses hindsight to know that they were being attacked by the main army, which they believed they were not.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 05:14 AM   #227

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In war... numbers count for everything, if I Have 100, 000 men and you only have 90, 000 bullets, I guess I win... take the eastern front and the American civil war for example
Numbers alone are not enough to win. After the war, a man told Grant that anyone could have won with the advantages he had. Grant replied that he believed several other men had had the opportunity before he did.
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Battle of sisak, croats vs ottoes.pretty much every battle betwen kingdom of croatia and bulgarian empire.
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The Battle of Longewala in the 1971 India-Pakistan war.
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The Battle of the Chosin Reservoir

Approximately 20,000 allied troops (17,000 of which were members of the 1st Marine Division) surrounded by 120,000 Chinese.

It ended in one of the most epic breakouts in military history, and with 7 of the Chinese divisions deployed against the 1st MarDiv so badly mauled that they were effectively destroyed.


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