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Old August 23rd, 2012, 12:05 PM   #31

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Northern Qi Dynasty clay figurine, depicting an infantryman with a scutum.

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Old August 23rd, 2012, 12:26 PM   #32

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Here is a warrior figurine from the Southern Dynasties

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This is the Mieng Kwang armor, literally translated as "Bright Armor". It had two metal breastplates. This kind of armor first appeared during the Age of Fragmentation, and it would continue to be used throughout Sui and Tang dynasties.

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Here is the Liang-Tang armor, literally translated as "Two-Crotch Armor". It was a common style of armor during the Age of Fragmentation.

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This is the Mieng Kwang armor, literally translated as "Bright Armor". It had two metal breastplates. This kind of armor first appeared during the Age of Fragmentation, and it would continue to be used throughout Sui and Tang dynasties.
What was the resistance of these breastplates to punctures or slashes?
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What was the resistance of these breastplates to punctures or slashes?
Not sure about that, no one has ever tested the breastplates of the Mieng Kwang armor.

My guess is that they would probably offer considerable protection against slashes.

The Mieng Kwang armor was the only ancient Chinese armor which had breastplates. However, for some reason, this kind of armor was only used during the Sui and Tang dynasties; later in the Song Dynasty, the Chinese abandoned this design and they started to use lamellar armors again.
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Clay figurine of an infantryman wearing the two-crotch armor

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Old August 23rd, 2012, 03:53 PM   #38

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The Mieng Kwang armor was the only ancient Chinese armor which had breastplates. However, for some reason, this kind of armor was only used during the Sui and Tang dynasties; later in the Song Dynasty, the Chinese abandoned this design and they started to use lamellar armors again.
That perception is exactly what caused me to inquire with you about the style.

Thank you for confirming.
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Western Han steel scale armor
Are you sure that the armour was steel, and not copper or iron? Analysis of the armour found the Qin emperor tomb indicated it was made of copper, and given the close proximity in time to the Han dynasty, the Han armour is very likely to be similar ot the Qin.


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Abstract: The chemical compositions and microstructures of the armor strips excavated from the Emperor Qin Shi Huang’s
mausoleum were examined systematically by using optical microscopy and electron microscopy. It was found that the armor strips
were made of pure copper. Based on the morphology of α-Cu recrystal grain and copper sulphide (Cu2S) inclusions in the armor
strips, the manufacturing techniques were proposed as follows: smelting pure copper, casting a lamellar plate, forming the cast ingots
into sheets through repeated cold forging combined with annealing heat treatment, and finally cutting the sheets into filaments.
Furthermore, through the deformation of copper sulphide (Cu2S) inclusions in the strips, the work rate during forging was evaluated
and calculated to be close to 75%.
http://www.ysxbcn.com/upfile/soft/2010327/08-p0395.pdf

The armour you show doesn't look like steel armour to me.
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Are you sure that the armour was steel, and not copper or iron? Analysis of the armour found the Qin emperor tomb indicated it was made of copper, and given the close proximity in time to the Han dynasty, the Han armour is very likely to be similar ot the Qin.


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The armour you show doesn't look like steel armour to me.
That armor was made of iron or steel, definately not copper. By the time of Han Dynasty, the ancient Chinese had already mastered steel forging technologies. They used blast furnace to produce steel tools and steel weapons.

Han armors were different from Qin armors.

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