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Old November 10th, 2012, 11:30 PM   #11

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"It is particularly dangerous to make facile assumptions about abilities in warfare based on past performance, for societies evolve and so does the military subculture with it."

This is perhaps the most cogent sentence in the entire piece, Col. De Atkine would do well to bear this in mind. Interesting analysis nevertheless.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 12:34 AM   #12

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Seems like a well thought out and reasonable theory. Much is made of Israeli access to the latest American technology as a factor in their continued superiority over their neighbours, and this is true to a point. However the Arabs had access to sophisticated Soviet equipment, yet failed to make the best use of it. Leadership and training is what made the difference.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 01:17 AM   #13

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Near the end the article commments that the old Soviet system was similar, does that mean they would be less effective also?
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Why, which country right now is going to win against the U.S. and the rest of the nations with Western arsenal? It's not only the Arabs who are losers in modern wars, Vietnam was won not by the Vietnamese firepower but because of Leftist political uprising in the U.S. North Korea was able to maintain the DMZ because there was the Cold War, and U.S.S.R. which was technically Western in view of its European roots, was the nation that the U.S. prevented to clash head on. Japan is technologically savvy but is not a military power because it's a loser of WW2 and China is far behind the U.S. It's a way of life that all must live with.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 03:07 AM   #15
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Why do arabs lose wars, they dont have the most up to date American equipment
Why is everything American to you people? Most 1st world countries have the exact same tech as you, and often it's not the US manufacturing the weapons in the first place.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 08:30 PM   #16

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The article makes some valid points, Arab armies have not functioned well in the past and his reasoning may have substantial merit. I do think that under the right conditions and with some alterations they would be a force to be reckoned with and their style of warfare is quite capable to this day on it's level. We have yet to fully conquer them.
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^That's right, the Americans were able to fight better because they're the former colony of the British Empire, and the latter is the result of English imperialism, which was a former colony and territory of the Roman Empire.
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IMHO under the right conditions and with some alterations absolutely any army could be a force to be reckoned.
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Old November 11th, 2012, 11:51 PM   #19

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The last war on large scale fought by an Arab army was of course the second Gulf War, but it's out of the temporal range of this forum.

Anyway, it's probably more interesting to focus the attention on the first Gulf War. Iraq said to have one of the most powerful army around and that it was going to win "the mother of all battles".

Iraqi army almost disappeared in a while.


Because Arabs in general in the last decades have made a bit of confusion between quantity + quality of weaponry on a side [Arabs buy US and EU weaponry ... so ...] and efficiency of the warriors on the other side.

The level of professional skills of the single units makes the difference when the technologies are similar. Then, when there is also a gap in technology, the result of the confrontation is already written.
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Old November 12th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #20

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Main problem is not the ordinary soldier but their officerkorps is corrupt,inept,tribal minded and snobs,many owing their applications to political loyalty .
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