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Old November 14th, 2012, 12:25 AM   #1
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After the weekend of rememberence i have been thinking about the pride that I felt watching the nation offer thanks to the service men and women who have sacrificed themselves for our country.

This has raised the questoin in my head,

are you proud of your country, what they fought for, how they fought, and why they fought? Are you proud of their performance?

I would like to hear what peoples opinions are on their own nation, not who they fought, but themselves.

Its easy to look at the "enemy" in each confilct and pass judgement but when we look at our own how do we feel.

For example, WW1 and WW2 I am proud of every man, woman, and child that lived through each conflict and served their country, I am proud of why we fought and the reasons behind getting involved.

However the current conflict in Iraq I don't agree with the reasons behind it, but I am proud of the soldiers who are out there (I have 2 cousins currently serving).

I am interested in hearing your own views.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #2

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Nothing at all wrong with national pride, but it has its limits. I hope that Nazi Germany has put an end to the theory of `my country right or wrong`.
Nationalism should go hand in had with respect for other nations, races and cultures.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:31 AM   #3

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Im neither proud nor happy with the conflicts my country participates on. I don't support them at all. Unlike you grievesy33 im not happy with the purpose of this war and the one in Afghanistan.
Historically there are conflicts in which my country participated which i believe to be just (as much as war can be actually justified), and moments which make me proud indeed, but all this has its limits as funakison said.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 09:34 AM   #4

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pride can easily stand in your way, I do respect the soldiers who are fighting abroad but I am not proud of the war that my country is waging.
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I think people often mistake patriotism with nationalism. I am full of patriotic pride in my country and take satisfaction with many of our allies. But nationalism, i think it is best kept as far away from rational thought as is possible.
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Old November 14th, 2012, 11:55 PM   #6
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I am no advocate of nationalism.

I am well aware that my country has made bad choices and not every conflict is right or just.

As mentioned in my original post i do not agree with our army, navy, air force etc being out in Iraq however I am proud of the people who are out there serving their country.

Its the people where my pride lies, there has been conflicts in the past where I feel we were right to be involved however at the moment I am proud of the people out there serving and not the reasons behind it.

Im no warmonger in fact I don't like violence but I can honestly say I am proud of those people who are willing to serve our country and to a certain extent the reasons why we have fought.
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Old November 15th, 2012, 04:14 AM   #7
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I have never seen a US Patriot that is more a nationalist than merely patriotic...

As for the UK, I've got ancestors there and I do not support their role in World War 1... For instance I had say World War 1 was a war that should have never been fought and that had evil on every side... WW2 on the other hand is very different, the Soviets and the UK are the heroes in that war...

I've got a lot of Italian ancestry to (over 50%) but I can't be proud of their military roles (serving Mussolini and losing wars)... But... What about the renaissance and lamborghini and the cuisine...

But I am Peruvian by reason of being born here, raised here and well, having ancestors from here too (besides the Spanish) and... As Peruvian I am patriotic about being taught not to be patriotic... I would only care for Peru against military invasion by foreign forces but if Peru decided to attack I would let Peru suffer the consquences...
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After the weekend of rememberence i have been thinking about the pride that I felt watching the nation offer thanks to the service men and women who have sacrificed themselves for our country.

This has raised the questoin in my head,

are you proud of your country, what they fought for, how they fought, and why they fought? Are you proud of their performance?

I would like to hear what peoples opinions are on their own nation, not who they fought, but themselves.

Its easy to look at the "enemy" in each confilct and pass judgement but when we look at our own how do we feel.

For example, WW1 and WW2 I am proud of every man, woman, and child that lived through each conflict and served their country, I am proud of why we fought and the reasons behind getting involved.

However the current conflict in Iraq I don't agree with the reasons behind it, but I am proud of the soldiers who are out there (I have 2 cousins currently serving).

I am interested in hearing your own views.
i am not proud or ashamed at all. both for historic and current events of turkey. historically, i didn't conquer constantinople, lost ww1, fought in the independence war etc. ; currently, i am not the one that loses against pkk terror, having bad relations with my eastern neighbours, taxing the hell out of everybody etc.
pride, shame, experience, joy etc. are individual things not collective. people are not bees or ants. they have no hive mentality.
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they have no hive mentality.
Incorrect. Tribalism is one of the most powerful forces existent in human affairs throughout history, and every nation has had its tribal stage. The Nation state is just a more developed form of tribalism.
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Old November 17th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #10

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Patriotism here in the United States has been hijacked by conservatives to promote their idea of nationalism. It is a struggle to prove that patriots need not be conservatives, and the mere display of the stars and stripes does NOT mean automatic patriotism.

I am extremely proud of our country when we help good people through charity or defending them. I am not proud, however, when instances such as My Lai and Abu Gharaib come to light. I have never been associated with blind patriotism....
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