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Old November 20th, 2012, 06:08 PM   #21
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That was actually a Russian scheme. It failed because the dogs were trained to run to a tank where there was food waiting. They trained with Russian tanks so the dogs would ignore German tanks and make for Russian ones. When fielded with no Russian tanks in the area, the dogs would ignore the German tanks and run back to their Russian handlers, tails wagging!
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Incredible...the dogs could tell the difference between Soviet and German tanks?

I checked Wiki and of course Soviet tanks had diesel engines whereas German tanks ran on gasoline - very different smells

It seems it's true after all...despite the fact that dogs showed a marked reluctance to run under moving tanks (they trained on stationary ones) the Red Army claims several German tanks damaged by them

I take it back, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction!
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Old November 20th, 2012, 08:45 PM   #22
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I missed it...what's the mechanical trigger though?

The slinger just lets go one end of the sling, the same way a peltast often used a string loop tied to the center of the javelin to gain a better throw

Are you confusing the sling with a slingshot?
True... I may be mistaking them... What's the difference between them?

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That was actually a Russian scheme. It failed because the dogs were trained to run to a tank where there was food waiting. They trained with Russian tanks so the dogs would ignore German tanks and make for Russian ones. When fielded with no Russian tanks in the area, the dogs would ignore the German tanks and run back to their Russian handlers, tails wagging!
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Good thing the plan backfired... It would have meant the horrible death of too many innocent dogs...

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Incredible...the dogs could tell the difference between Soviet and German tanks?

I checked Wiki and of course Soviet tanks had diesel engines whereas German tanks ran on gasoline - very different smells

It seems it's true after all...despite the fact that dogs showed a marked reluctance to run under moving tanks (they trained on stationary ones) the Red Army claims several German tanks damaged by them

I take it back, truth is sometimes stranger than fiction!
Truth is stranger than fiction... Until you take truth and make it even stranger by turning it up to eleven... But then you realize that truth is even stranger because fiction is arbitrary (whimsical)... Truth is not...

Anyway... I recognize I may be forsaking some missile weapons, however I wanted to stablish records missiles weapons had...
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:15 PM   #23

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As for the OP, I can't really answer any questions about the ancient stuff but I know a bit about modern systems, especially MLRS/HIMARS
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:20 PM   #24
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As for the OP, I can't really answer any questions about the ancient stuff but I know a bit about modern systems, especially MLRS/HIMARS
Go on, give the data you know... The benefits of a forum is that more people can participate with their knowledge... I just did not know where to collect this data...
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Well for MLRS I can say

It is a vehicle mounted (Bradley chassis) system which can fire either 12 rockets or 2 missiles.

The rockets it fires can be either cluster types with hundreds of sub-munitions or unitary warhead, guided systems. The guided systems have been used accurately in combat at ranges exceeding 70K. We are talking accuracy within 3ish square meters. here, and they have been used successfully in situations where it was necessary to destroy just one room of a single structure while leaving the rest intact.

The missile system it uses is an ATACMs, almost always guided nowadays with an official range of 300k or thereabouts.

Google Image Result for http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/images/mlrs1.jpg
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Well for MLRS I can say

It is a vehicle mounted (Bradley chassis) system which can fire either 12 rockets or 2 missiles.

The rockets it fires can be either cluster types with hundreds of sub-munitions or unitary warhead, guided systems. The guided systems have been used accurately in combat at ranges exceeding 70K. We are talking accuracy within 3ish square meters. here, and they have been used successfully in situations where it was necessary to destroy just one room of a single structure while leaving the rest intact.

The missile system it uses is an ATACMs, almost always guided nowadays with an official range of 300k or thereabouts.

Google Image Result for http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/images/mlrs1.jpg
By k yo umena km? Don't you?
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By k yo umena km? Don't you?
Yep
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Old November 21st, 2012, 03:34 AM   #28
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Well for MLRS I can say

It is a vehicle mounted (Bradley chassis) system which can fire either 12 rockets or 2 missiles.

The rockets it fires can be either cluster types with hundreds of sub-munitions or unitary warhead, guided systems. The guided systems have been used accurately in combat at ranges exceeding 70K. We are talking accuracy within 3ish square meters. here, and they have been used successfully in situations where it was necessary to destroy just one room of a single structure while leaving the rest intact.

The missile system it uses is an ATACMs, almost always guided nowadays with an official range of 300k or thereabouts.

Google Image Result for http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/images/mlrs1.jpg
Then the MLRS goes on 4:

Held by more than one person or else mounted on a structure or vehicle with chemical trigger (cannons, antiair missiles, etc.)

1.Rate of fire (how many projectiles are shot per minute, second or whatever):

12 rockets (per what?) or 2 missiles (per what?)

2.Range (how far can the projectile go before loosing accuracy and/or lethality)

Rockets; 70 km<
Missiles; ≈300km

3.Striking force (newtons per cm square or inch square, whatever you prefer, on the region where the missile hits the target or obstacle)

Undefined

4.Damage area (the are of the entry wound and/or the exit wound of a missile)

Undefined...

But thanks... Its still enlightening
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That was actually a Russian scheme. It failed because the dogs were trained to run to a tank where there was food waiting. They trained with Russian tanks so the dogs would ignore German tanks and make for Russian ones. When fielded with no Russian tanks in the area, the dogs would ignore the German tanks and run back to their Russian handlers, tails wagging!
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Strange vehicle, its a 1944 or 45 era T-34 but the main 85mm guns been removed and replaced with metal piping to make it look like an 41 or 42 era machine.

They've even taken off the gun mantlet, so obviously a movie or recreation prop. wonder what its from?
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Old November 21st, 2012, 02:25 PM   #30
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True... I may be mistaking them... What's the difference between them?
A sling is a length of rope of sometimes leather...with a pouch to place a missile (smooth rock, baked clay or sometimes cast lead bullets)
You double the rope over, place a missile in the pouch, swing the rope round your head and let go of one end

(think David and Goliath)

A slingshot is a "Y" shaped handle, you attach some strong, elasticated band at the two upper corners and then use it like a bow

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...good thing the plan backfired... It would have meant the horrible death of too many innocent dogs...
I rather suspect almost all did...when the mine exploded
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