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View Poll Results: What was the most embarrassing Union defeat
Fort Sumter 0 0%
First Bull Run 3 11.11%
Willsons Creek 0 0%
First Winchester 0 0%
Seven Days 2 7.41%
Second Bull Run 0 0%
Antietam 0 0%
Fredricksburg 9 33.33%
Chancellorville 6 22.22%
Chickamauga 1 3.70%
Cold Harbor 1 3.70%
Second Petersburg 1 3.70%
The Crater 4 14.81%
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Old November 20th, 2012, 08:10 PM   #11

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Battle of Cold Harbor is considered a loss to me considering the casaulties the Union took.
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Old November 20th, 2012, 09:13 PM   #12

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I'd say Chancellorsville.

The sheer number of Union casualties, when added to the amounts of miscommunication and Hooker's timidity during the battle led to a most embarrassing defeat.
The only thing that could be considered positive from the Union's viewpoint was the Confederacy's loss of Stonewall Jackson, and the Union could not even claim that, as he was killed by friendly fire...
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Old November 21st, 2012, 05:32 AM   #13

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Fredericksburg was the most embarrassing in my opinion. The command breakdowns and casualties were staggering, and thousands of Union soldiers were slaughtered in front of Marye's Heights for no purpose. At Chancellorsville, the Union troops, outside of a single XI Corps division, at least gave a pretty good account of themselves, but were let down by Joseph Hooker.

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Battle of Cold Harbor is considered a loss to me considering the casaulties the Union took.
I don't think anybody was arguing it was a win. In any case, Fredericksburg: 12,600 casualties,with the vast majority of those casualties in one day, compared to about 3,500 in one day at Cold Harbor.

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Old November 21st, 2012, 06:04 AM   #14

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Fredericksburg was the stupidest battle in American history, very much an American version of the Somme. The amount of lives lost in an incredibly idiotic maneuver ordered by an even more incredibly incompetent commander makes it among the most embarrassing defeats in American military history. In the North we try to glorify it by focusing on the Irish Brigade and things like that, but in reality there's nothing positive to say about that battle.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 06:32 AM   #15

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Fredericksburg was the stupidest battle in American history, very much an American version of the Somme. The amount of lives lost in an incredibly idiotic maneuver ordered by an even more incredibly incompetent commander makes it among the most embarrassing defeats in American military history.
Union casualties during the assault on St. Marye's Heights are comparable with Confederate casualties during Pickett's Charge. When Burnside wasn't fighting Lee, his record was good.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 06:34 AM   #16

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Fredricksburg. Stupid. Embarrassingly stupid.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 08:44 AM   #17

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I would like to hear the reasoning on why Chickamauga was a embarrassing defeat; the Confederates outnumbered the Union at the battle, and took more casualties. It was a close-fought battle. Similar question for First Bull Run; numbers were equivalent, and the Confederates had the advantage of merely having to stand on the defensive with their green troops.
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I would like to hear the reasoning on why Chickamauga was a embarrassing defeat; the Confederates outnumbered the Union at the battle, and took more casualties. It was a close-fought battle. Similar question for First Bull Run; numbers were equivalent, and the Confederates had the advantage of merely having to stand on the defensive with their green troops.
My best guess for Chickamauga would be the confusion on the lines of battle, resulting in orders to close a hole that wasn't there, and in the process openning a real one.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 10:15 AM   #19

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Fredericksburg was the most embarrassing in my opinion. The command breakdowns and casualties were staggering, and thousands of Union soldiers were slaughtered in front of Marye's Heights for no purpose. At Chancellorsville, the Union troops, outside of a single XI Corps division, at least gave a pretty good account of themselves, but were let down by Joseph Hooker.


I don't think anybody was arguing it was a win. In any case, Fredericksburg: 12,600 casualties,with the vast majority of those casualties in one day, compared to about 3,500 in one day at Cold Harbor.
I agree. IIRC, Fredericksburg was the single most lopsided major battle of the ACW. That Burnside would throw one brigade after another on to those defenses was borderline criminal. So much for the absurd notion that Union soldiers weren't brave.
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Old November 21st, 2012, 10:17 AM   #20

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Union casualties during the assault on St. Marye's Heights are comparable with Confederate casualties during Pickett's Charge. When Burnside wasn't fighting Lee, his record was good.
I would put it otherwise. When Burnside wasn't leading an ARMY his record was good-and he knew it.
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