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Old November 22nd, 2012, 12:33 AM   #21

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Well it is still pretty complicated (one thing we can always rely on the government for) but basically it works like this:

A Soldier married to a civilian gets a Basic Allowance for Housing (BAH) which is based on the average income and cost of living of the area. If the soldier and his spouse live on base, they are still paid this money but the amount is deducted from their paycheck automatically so they never actually see it. If they live off post the amount gets added to their base pay and they can do whatever they want with it.

If two soldiers are married they both get BAH, but one of them gets a lesser amount.

Single soldiers under the grade of E6 get no housing money and live in barracks. This means that for lower enlisted soldiers there is a huge profit motive to get married young as well as the luxury of being able to move out of the barracks.
Ah... it has changed. Thanks for that update. I neglected to mention that another reason that a married troop, or a married couple where both are serving would live in the barracks was, back then, that it counted as an "unaccompanied" tour and rolled the troop to the bottom of the draft list for involuntary assignment of an unaccompanied tour. Ah me... complications and loopholes. Nothing was simple then, and sounds like it hasn't changed much since.
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 04:39 AM   #22

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The Brits of my parents generation used to say the the ''Yanks were overpaid'' in W.W.2 relative to their British services counterparts and certainly U.S serviceman in W.W. 2 were better paid than the Brits were.
I have before me a booklet issued to every American G.I. serving in Great Britain between 1942-45 and under the heading of ''Some important Do's and Don't's'' says ''You are higher paid than the British Tommy''.Don't rub it in. Play fair with him...''
And British soldiers got the same lessons when they were serving in France, the Poilu's tended to be appallingly badly paid which is where some of their morale problems came from.

Its just one of lifes ironies that the Tommies went from being the overpaid ones being asked to tone it down to being the underpaid ones watching the yanks snapping up all the good stuff. Thats life!
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 09:51 AM   #23

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An E-2 is not a Private First Class in the US Army.

Also, we should take into account the discrepancy in pay between single soldiers and married soldiers.
Why is there a discrepancy in pay between married and single soldiers?
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 09:55 AM   #24

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Probably so, Bish. For American servicemen, Federal income tax and social security taxes are deducted from their base pay.State income taxes are the individual state's discretion. My home of record, for military purposes, is Georgia. When I was in the AF Georgia did not exempt military citizens from state income taxes no matter where I was stationed in the world, but I was exempted from paying social security tax. During the Reagan years, that changed. However, my flight pay, combat pay, and later hazardous duty pay was not subject to any taxes. I left the service nearly 35 year ago, so some of the above may have changed.

Oh yeah... My brother was stationed in the UK near London for 4 years. He got a COLA (Cost of Living Allowance) due to the high costs there, and he had his family with him.
Sounds like your system is a bit more complicated than here. We just have to pay the tax's applied by the goverment. Soldiers pay these just as everyone else does. And soldiers are entitled to the same benifiets as civilians, such as family allowance. Soldiers posted over seas, such as Germany, get LOA (Local Overseas Allowance).
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Ah... it has changed. Thanks for that update. I neglected to mention that another reason that a married troop, or a married couple where both are serving would live in the barracks was, back then, that it counted as an "unaccompanied" tour and rolled the troop to the bottom of the draft list for involuntary assignment of an unaccompanied tour. Ah me... complications and loopholes. Nothing was simple then, and sounds like it hasn't changed much since.
I forgot to mention accompanied and unaccompanied. It gets complicated, but basically married soldiers will continue to get BAH on both accompanied and unaccompanied tours, but on unaccompanied tours they receive BAH based on where their wife is living while they are gone. Then there are Geographical Bachelors, where their wife, usually for work or children's school related reasons decide not to accompany their husband on an accompanied tour. Geo Bachelors still get paid BAH but they are allowed to live in the barracks for a short amount of time so that they don't have to simultaneously pay their own rent and their wives back home.

When I was in Korea, a friend of mine decided to get smart. Korea was an unaccompanied tour and so he continued to get BAH based on his wife's residence which happened to be Hawaii, one of the highest in the country. His housing allowance was something like 2700 dollars a month. Instead of leaving her there he bought her a ticket to Korea and she rented a cheap apartment off post. The Army still thought she was in hawaii and continued to pay them the high monthly BAH, while meanwhile she spent the whole year living in Korea and seeing her husband everyday. A nice little loophole.
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Why is there a discrepancy in pay between married and single soldiers?
Married soldiers get a Basic Allowance for Housing to cover rent or mortgage on their house and a Basic Allowance for Sustenance for groceries. These are monthly amounts paid in addition to the soldier's base pay, and they are based on the average income and cost of living of the area the soldier is stationed in. At my last duty station in Washington State this amount was around $1600-$2100 extra monthly, depending on the soldier's rank.

So it usually works like this:

Single soldier is getting paid $2000 a month and lives for free in the barracks.

Married soldier is getting paid $4100 a month and lives in their own apartment with their family off post.

So you can see there is a strong motivation for soldiers to get married as fast as possible.
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Married soldiers get a Basic Allowance for Housing to cover rent or mortgage on their house and a Basic Allowance for Sustenance for groceries. These are monthly amounts paid in addition to the soldier's base pay, and they are based on the average income and cost of living of the area the soldier is stationed in. At my last duty station in Washington State this amount was around $1600-$2100 extra monthly, depending on the soldier's rank.

So it usually works like this:

Single soldier is getting paid $2000 a month and lives for free in the barracks.

Married soldier is getting paid $4100 a month and lives in their own apartment with their family off post.

So you can see there is a strong motivation for soldiers to get married as fast as possible.
I see. So do the single soldiers not have to pay for food either. And do married soldiers have the option of living in married quarters.
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I see. So do the single soldiers not have to pay for food either. And do married soldiers have the option of living in married quarters.
Single soldiers get a "meal card" which they can use to eat for free at the Chow Hall, but most end up spending a lot of money out of their base pay to buy groceries anyway or to eat out.

Most bases have housing communities on the base where married soldiers can choose to live if they want. However married soldiers who live on-base have 100% of their housing money deducted from their paycheck. Whereas soldiers who live off post may get paid $1500 in BAH but only have to pay $900 for an apartment, and they get to keep the remainder.
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One World War pay/salry scandal that isn't well kown was the British and Empire merchant seaman who were torpedeoed and found themselves adrift on liferafts sometimes for weeks -had all wages stopped from the date of the sinking and even after rescue thay might not receive any wages until they sailed next time.
So six weeks adrift on a life raft was ''rewarded'' with no wages for six weeks-I wonder how their wives and children coped during this period of no wages.?
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Old November 22nd, 2012, 07:01 PM   #30

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One World War pay/salry scandal that isn't well kown was the British and Empire merchant seaman who were torpedeoed and found themselves adrift on liferafts sometimes for weeks -had all wages stopped from the date of the sinking and even after rescue thay might not receive any wages until they sailed next time.
So six weeks adrift on a life raft was ''rewarded'' with no wages for six weeks-I wonder how their wives and children coped during this period of no wages.?
I recall reading about this a while ago. Bloody disgraceful. OTOH, the merchant seamen who sailed to the Falklands in 82 were extremely well compensated I believe.
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