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Old November 24th, 2012, 02:48 PM   #21
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The Russian Army in the Winter War???
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The Russian army of WWI.
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The Spanish militias of 1936 had no uniform, no training, no machine guns, no artillery and mostly rifles from around 1900.

And they used to go home for tea and return to the front line in the morning.
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That is not fair, the Russians were badly equipped at the start but later in the war they were fairly well equipped.
Besides, they were no worse equipped than countries like Turkey or the Netherlands.
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And they used to go home for tea Red Wine and return to the front line in the morning.
Yes, those Spanish certainly know how to wage war.
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The Natal Native Contingent (NNC) during the Anglo-Zulu Wars were equipped with one rifle for every ten men, and each man only carried four rounds of ammo. The rest used spears and shields. While admittedly the same equipment as the enemy Zulu, it didn't compare very well against the equipment their British allies carried!
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That is not fair, the Russians were badly equipped at the start but later in the war they were fairly well equipped.
Besides, they were no worse equipped than countries like Turkey or the Netherlands.
You only have to look at some of the campaigns they engaged in to see how relevantly equipped they were in comparison to their enemies. Thats not to say they had no modern weaponry or equipment, but rather the allocation of it to field armies was poor, and that goes for general issue grade items like shoes.
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Argentine soldiers did well enough against the British in the Falklands and their equipment at least matched them to a large degree.
Yeah, the problem is they're using the same(or worse) 30 years after.
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A well armed and extremely well trained and devoted force.

The north Korean army! They actually mostly use ww2 and Korean war era weapons.

But hey, a bullet of a brown Bess can kill a man to.
Well, yes it can I guess. The Brown Bess was an iconic British flintlock, but not very accurate past 50 paces or so. I know, I'm splitting hairs here, sorry.
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The Russian Army in the Winter War???
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The Russians were fairly well equipped, the T-26 wasnt bad equipment for the period, their rifles and machine guns were a little obsolescent but certainly perfectly practical and as the siberian forces showed they had enough heavy winter clothing to go around.

The problem was more that the had expected a quick victory over the Finns using massive use of force, they hadnt laid in sufficient medical, logistical and command support in case a small nation of badly armed militia didnt collapse in front of one of the largest and most heavily armed forces in europe.

The Finns had invested in defensive positions, warming stations, winter food and medical support close to the front, it paid off.

It also helped that the Finns leaders were experienced officers from Czarist and white Russian forces who had experience in their posts and troops who were inexperienced but at least knew the country, many of the Soviet officers were quietly fertilising landfill behind the lubyanka or breaking rocks in Siberia, the new guys were either political appointees or inexperienced in their posts.

It wasnt a problem in equipment it was a problem in planning, supply and leadership.
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