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Old December 2nd, 2012, 02:43 PM   #21

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WW2, lots of battles in ww2 were pointless.
WW2 was anything but pointless.
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WW2 was anything but pointless.
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It is very easy, and very PC nowadays, to say 'all wars are pointless', but what if the alternative is to stand by and watch your neighbours carted off to the gas chambers? And wonder when your turn will come?

Some things have to be fought for, and we are only able to say 'wars are pointless' because our forefathers were willing to fight for our freedoms. If we are not willing to fight for ours, then our children will not enjoy such luxuries.
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It is very easy, and very PC nowadays, to say 'all wars are pointless', but what if the alternative is to stand by and watch your neighbours carted off to the gas chambers? And wonder when your turn will come?

Some things have to be fought for, and we are only able to say 'wars are pointless' because our forefathers were willing to fight for our freedoms. If we are not willing to fight for ours, then our children will not enjoy such luxuries.
I agree with you wholeheartedly.
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It is very easy, and very PC nowadays, to say 'all wars are pointless', but what if the alternative is to stand by and watch your neighbours carted off to the gas chambers? And wonder when your turn will come?

Some things have to be fought for, and we are only able to say 'wars are pointless' because our forefathers were willing to fight for our freedoms. If we are not willing to fight for ours, then our children will not enjoy such luxuries.
Actually I didn't expect so many to reply with 'all wars are pointless' I was more interested in battles that had no significant bearing on the outcome of a war. Pointless, in the respect that it served no purpose to acheive anything for either side.

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It is very easy, and very PC nowadays, to say 'all wars are pointless', but what if the alternative is to stand by and watch your neighbours carted off to the gas chambers? And wonder when your turn will come?

Some things have to be fought for, and we are only able to say 'wars are pointless' because our forefathers were willing to fight for our freedoms. If we are not willing to fight for ours, then our children will not enjoy such luxuries.
Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one
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It is very easy, and very PC nowadays, to say 'all wars are pointless', but what if the alternative is to stand by and watch your neighbours carted off to the gas chambers? And wonder when your turn will come?

Some things have to be fought for, and we are only able to say 'wars are pointless' because our forefathers were willing to fight for our freedoms. If we are not willing to fight for ours, then our children will not enjoy such luxuries.
Agree 100%.

However we must also remember that while not all wars are pointless, neither are all wars justified.
The trick is in knowing which is which.
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Old December 5th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #28

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All Isonzo battles'.
600,000 dead for nothing, the best of the Italian youth sent to rampage, the country devastated by post-war crysis and then Fascism rising.
You are right ! I want all the posters' attention to the write-up in the Hemingway novel " A Farewell to Arms " in which the Italian soldiers are described marching towards the front with many men crying ! Also note the passages when the retreating Italian army is combed by the Italian military police and officers and men are picked up at random for cowardice and desertion and shot ! I believe that the French soldiers also started crying when asked to march towards the front e.g.after the Nivelle offensive, they mutinied also.
I propose that any war in which the ordinary soldier went to the front crying, as well as the wars where mutiny on large scale occurred certainly qualify for being denoted as " futile ".
If the fighting person has lost all desire to fight, the war in his sector is futile by definition.
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Pointless action ( no way we can call it a battle ) at My Lai, Vietnam


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Every battle in Vietnam during US involvement, in my opinion... how can you wage war when you don't fully wage it??? It almost destroyed our country politically and socially, and its effects have scarred us for life. UTTERLY POINTLESS and galling...
Particularly horrifying is the My Lai action taken by Lt. William Lou Calley,against utterly defenceless women and children of that village. To this day-- it will be about 42 years when I first saw the vivid photographs which appeared in " Life " magazine-- I cannot forget the photos esp. the two consecutive action photos.
The first photo shows a girl of about 12-13 years age cradling her toddler brother or sister in her arms and looking with awe, wonder and fear at the US soldier who is menacingly pointing his rifle at her, she seems to believe that he may not kill her and her sibling after all, there is a sort of a look on her face, which says that he can't be so inhuman after all ! In the next photo the kid and her sibling are lying blood splattered on the ground, dead, as if they were broken dolls ! If pointlessness of battles or actions in these battles are to be quoted , this one takes the no.1 by any standard !
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I think this is easily one of the best examples of the thread so far, along with New Orleans. I mean when you attack the same place 12 times to no effect, you know you have to be doing something wrong unless your name happens to be Luigi Cadorna. It's quite shocking that Cadorna was not executed for incompetence at the rate he was going, or at least court-martialed, though one could make the accusation that killing off so many of your country's soldiers in such a way constitutes treason.
Fully agree with you guys - the Italian front in WWI might be the saddest episode in modern military history out there.
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