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Old December 7th, 2012, 12:39 PM   #51

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Did Germany lose the war because they lost the Ardennes offensive? No. They were about to lose it anyway. Could Germany have won if they were victorious at Kursk, Stalingrad or Moscow? Again, most likely not. Why? Lo-*******-gistics. When two nations fight a total war, it's the one with most resources that will win. In a limited war, political and economical factors are just as important as the deployed logistical support and strategy... But pitched battles almost never decide wars.
Ah I see your point I agree that the war was lost for Germany by that point, but wouldn't you agree that the Ardennes Offensive hastened the end? And thus did have a definite effect on the war, albeit opposite to the desired one.

It's an good viewpoint though, I will have to mull that over a bit.
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Old December 7th, 2012, 04:10 PM   #52

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Reading the full question in the OP would reveal that these battles shouldn't be considered, they did actually have an impact on the war, economically, politically and militarily, especially Cannae. Suggesting they had no relevance to the main war is incorrect.
The OP was asking for battles that had no relevance to the success of the war. The battles I listed obviously qualify
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Old December 7th, 2012, 04:25 PM   #53

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I think the Gallipoli Campaign had no discernible impact on World War I beyond wasting the lives of young men.
First to come to my mind also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOCe2Y7iVF8
^^ song by Swedish power metal band Sabaton, about the said battle. It was a no.1 hit in Sweden a few years ago.
Their songs are based on historical events, battles, people, wars etc.
One of my favourite bands at the moment.

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My standby answer to an op like this is Peleliu in the Pacific theater of WWII.

Battle_of_Peleliu Battle_of_Peleliu
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My standby answer to an op like this is Peleliu in the Pacific theater of WWII.

Battle of Peleliu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"The
Battle_of_Angaur Battle_of_Angaur
and Peleliu showed Americans the pattern of future Japanese island defense which would be seen again at
Battle_of_Iwo_Jima Battle_of_Iwo_Jima
and Okinawa."

Not entirely pointless.
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"The battles for Angaur and Peleliu showed Americans the pattern of future Japanese island defense which would be seen again at Iwo Jima and Okinawa."

Not entirely pointless.
I can recognize the ancillary value of encountering a change in Japanese strategy and tactics, but that was not why those battles took place. Peleliu was planned as a one week operation. It took nearly two months of fighting that effectively destroyed the 1st Marines. Every objective for the Peleliu operation was abandoned upon it's securing. The value of learning new tactics of the enemy is somewhat overstated as following operations continued to underestimate the Japanese, and overestimate the effectiveness of allied power. New tactics or not, the remaining battles still had to be fought and any lessons learned did not change the brutal fighting. I'd have to say that, in a historical view, learning new tactics of the enemy is more of a salvaged positive of Peleliu.
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First to come to my mind also.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOCe2Y7iVF8
^^ song by Swedish power metal band Sabaton, about the said battle. It was a no.1 hit in Sweden a few years ago.
Their songs are based on historical events, battles, people, wars etc.
One of my favourite bands at the moment.
From the Central Powers and especially the Turkish standpoint this battle was hardly pointless; just ask Mustafa Kemal aka Attaturk.
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I can recognize the ancillary value of encountering a change in Japanese strategy and tactics, but that was not why those battles took place. Peleliu was planned as a one week operation. It took nearly two months of fighting that effectively destroyed the 1st Marines. Every objective for the Peleliu operation was abandoned upon it's securing. The value of learning new tactics of the enemy is somewhat overstated as following operations continued to underestimate the Japanese, and overestimate the effectiveness of allied power. New tactics or not, the remaining battles still had to be fought and any lessons learned did not change the brutal fighting. I'd have to say that, in a historical view, learning new tactics of the enemy is more of a salvaged positive of Peleliu.
Must entirely agree here; however, would it have been pointless too from the Japanese defensive standpoint?
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